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Old 17 November 2013, 11:25   #31
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My thinking is if the HH DSC didn't get anyones attention then I'm less hopeful the AIS will as I think less people will have the capability. So I'd rather I was bouncing a ping off a satellite than shouting to deaf ears. If the choice was between AIS PLB and EPIRB PLB.

But if I was on a big boat (like the capsized yacht) AIS PLB would make sense for a MOB as they get a live position on their plotter to return to.

I think there are cases for both.

I also think if I was a yacht with two full EPIRBs then having every crew member with one seems an unusual approach. You'd have hoped they'd have mounted the EPIRBs to work in the event of a capsize, and I'd also have expected they'd have mounted a grab bag to be accessible giving them access to flares to signal with and a HH VHF to hail the passing boats with.

But on a more serious note why has no-one commented that a bucket of burning tar would have been a very effective signal for them...
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Old 17 November 2013, 11:32   #32
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but redundancy if radio is broken you have second method of communications - PLB or AIS PLB fit this bill.

can you tell me where is the best place to buy buckets of tar and best method of lighting them !

or you could do what I do carry a Greatland Rescue Laser INSTEAD

sorry - for shameless plug number 2! S.

EDIT: added instead to make sure people knows I was not suggestion using laser to light TAR!!!
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But on a more serious note why has no-one commented that a bucket of burning tar would have been a very effective signal for them...
If it's that yacht in Cork, then it would be because she went t1ts up. They were too busy getting out of the damn thing. All their mates sailed past. Without question, despite being a bit slow, their PLBs saved them as it was getting late in the day. Having the RNLI nearby did no harm either.

I think that EVERY yacht should have a barrel of burning tar on it. Just in case
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Greatland Rescue Laser is no good for lighting bucket of tar... ...someone designed it to be 'safe' ;-)

The guys testing laser flares for YM did it but omitted the instructions (they didn't do it using a laser... they did it to make a point that pyrotechnics may well have had their day)
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Greatland Rescue Laser is no good for lighting bucket of tar... ...someone designed it to be 'safe' ;-) The guys testing laser flares for YM did it but omitted the instructions (they didn't do it using a laser... they did it to make a point that pyrotechnics may well have had their day)
ok - fixed my post above ! I carry GREATLAND Rescue Laser as the alternative to burning tar !

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This has all been a fascinating discussion so far - I can see that from the wealth of knowledge and years of experience there will always be a difference of opinion on some issues but I've taken so much from all these posts already. exactly what I needed!!!


So - smoke signals it is - what coal do I need to make the most smoke?

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well, if it's any help, I've just ordered a hh Icom IC-M91D from Force4 complete with spare battery for 250, excellent deal
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Mustrib, based on your 1st hand experience (so glad it worked out well but it must have been very scary at the time) what are good and bad ways of affixing these devices to yourself or your LJ ?

I tend to clip the handheld into the lifeline loop on the front of my LJ (Spinlock Deckvest) and also have it tied on with a paracord lanyard. No idea if this setup would work or not after an impact and inflation.

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Hi Chris..
After the event and while on the RI challenge itsef, I took to putting my replacement hand held into the big pocket on the front of the Typhoon dry suit. The whole episode has made me aware of how much your LJ and Dry suit should be considered together. I love the Baltic Rib Hybrid LJ I was wearing at the time of the ejection, but it denied access to the useful pockets of my dry suit. On the shoulder of the LJ, it had a loop for the aerial of the VHF and a set of webbing straps for the body. Ordinarily I would have thought this was enough to retain it in place. As this was the point of impact, I am not sure that any kind of lanyard would have helped, it may have kept the smashed backplate in place. The PLB was in a complete nest of webbing straps attached to the harness on the LJ. This was very secure.
I dont think I will be attaching the VHF in the same place on the Baltic LJ. You dont want to make it unusable because its a job to remove it from its fastenings/lanyard, but then equally you dont want it to float away in a dunking. Paracord lanyard sounds like the way to go, but keeping it in some sort of pocket, or though your LJ harness in a set of velcro webbing, would be preferable. Its something that I am looking at now as have added the radio capability to my Gecko, and need to find a suitable location for the HH Icom that feeds it.
Incidentally I wrote To Typhoon, and suggested some improvements to the Dry suit in terms of useability with an LJ inflated over the top, which I believe were discussed at an internal meeting.
I also spoke with an Irish Coastguard SAR pilot about drysuits, MOB casualties and recovery, for an article I am writing for issue 117 of PBR about the whole MOB experience. It was interesting stuff, and illuminating to hear what he had to say.

You asked about bad ways to fasten your HH radio, For years I used to run around with it just clipped over the harness of my LJ on my chest, really unsuitable!! but like most people, I never thought I would ever fall in, let alone go in at some speed, but I would guess that 99% of MOB from Ribs involve some speed.
The thought that I was carrying the VHF was enough for me, because I never thought any possible scenarios through.
The things I have taken away from my experience have been
that the sea and high speed open boats are capable of throwing you a curve ball, so be ready. Think about your safety kit as one integrated system, think how the individual components work with each other. Be prepared for your first rescue plan not to work, and have a secondary plan you can implement, specfically with means of raising the alarm.
Sorry Chris this went a bit off topic....
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Mustrib; Thanks for the comments based on your experiences, I had not previously considered the access restrictions to safety items I carry once the lifejacket has inflated, or indeed if the act of inflation may damage any items.

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