Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 08 December 2006, 14:00   #21
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
Make: Avon Searider
Length: 4m +
Engine: Honda BF50
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,841
Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn View Post
Considering Britain has the dearest diesel in the World it is going to seriously hurt British boaters and the whole industry.
I'm not one for Cod-bashing but this is a pants statement. There is not a gin palace on the water that will suddenly be decommisioned due to extra duty being slapped on diesel or a sale cancelled. Fuel cost is only a smallish percentage of the total running cost of a large boat, especially those that don't go anywhere. The marina, servicing, depreciation etc. etc add up to a lot more. A bit more on the price of gas isn't gonna deter these guys. The advantages of running smaller diesel boats will certainly deminish, but again it's not going to effect the 'industry'. Joe Bloggs whom was considering a diesel Rib will probably go for a petrol one now. Mr. Rib salesman still gets his sale. We have three large privately owned marinas in Falmouth, all three have a three year waiting list. Is the price of diesel gonna effect that? Don't think so. A massive hike in interest rates might. So, is it gonna be full DERV price or somewhere in between?

Oh yeah, and as of a couple of years ago Kerosene is dyed yellow, so just as big a wrist slap for using it as red. We are getting pulled and tested regularly in these parts, even fancy new 4x4's.
__________________

__________________
Mollers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 December 2006, 14:41   #22
Administrator
 
John Kennett's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Brighton
Length: 3m +
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 6,830
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollers View Post
There is not a gin palace on the water that will suddenly be decommisioned due to extra duty being slapped on diesel or a sale cancelled.
Availability may become an issue though. It would be a bastard having to refuel a gin palace using jerry cans!

It depends whether they are doing away with red diesel for marine use altogether, or just stopping leisure boaters from using it.

If red diesel goes entirely (and commercial users have to claim the duty back) then it shouldn't be a problem as white diesel will be widely available. If commercial users are still able to use red, then I can't see many places wanting to install tanks and dispensing equipment for both colours.

I haven't seen any reference to how they plan to implement the changes. Anyone else know?

John
__________________

__________________
John Kennett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 December 2006, 14:47   #23
Trade member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,859
Think Red deisel will stay. All the commercial operators will do is apply for the duty back , just the same as all the commercials who operate petrol boats do . All you will see is the price hike so no major excercise in changing pumps just abit more paper shuffling for those in the commercial sector
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 December 2006, 15:05   #24
Member
 
rickuk3's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Leighton Buzzard
Boat name: Phoenix
Make: Osprey Eagle
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 75hp
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 270
From the British Marine Industry Federation website
http://www.britishmarine.co.uk/defau...d=277&aid=4031
__________________
rickuk3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 December 2006, 16:43   #25
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollers View Post
I'm not one for Cod-bashing but this is a pants statement. There is not a gin palace on the water that will suddenly be decommisioned due to extra duty being slapped on diesel or a sale cancelled. Fuel cost is only a smallish percentage of the total running cost of a large boat, especially those that don't go anywhere. The marina, servicing, depreciation etc. etc add up to a lot more. A bit more on the price of gas isn't gonna deter these guys. .
I didn't say they would get rid of them. Already a lot of people keep their boats in France or Spain etc to save money - the price rise of diesel will force many more to do the same.

I wonder why all the people who campaigned against the tax tried so hard if it will have no effect? Bit like the speed limit on Windmere

I have quite a few friends who are very wealthy - none of them like parting with money if they don't have to - they already feel that they pay more than enough in tax.

Of course what will probably happen is there there will be a huge juimp in the number of boats that are chartered.

A typical Gin palace can use 150L an hour - 3x more fuel WILL make a big difference - an extra 1400 for a weekend's cruising.

Boats are a luxury item - cars are essential.
__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 December 2006, 18:32   #26
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Poole
Length: no boat
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 673
Quote:
Originally Posted by codprawn View Post
That is 0.72 per litre - it was 0.95 here at the time!!!
95p for a litre of diesel, what?

Have been paying 40's all year for RED
__________________
MarkWildey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08 December 2006, 22:38   #27
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkWildey View Post
95p for a litre of diesel, what?

Have been paying 40's all year for RED
I am on about WHITE diesel in reply to it being the same price in France - which it isn't!!!
__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 December 2006, 03:34   #28
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Ayrshire
Boat name: Raven
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: 150 suzuki
MMSI: 235040525
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 653
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollers View Post
I'm not one for Cod-bashing but this is a pants statement. There is not a gin palace on the water that will suddenly be decommisioned due to extra duty being slapped on diesel or a sale cancelled. Fuel cost is only a smallish percentage of the total running cost of a large boat, especially those that don't go anywhere. The marina, servicing, depreciation etc. etc add up to a lot more. A bit more on the price of gas isn't gonna deter these guys. The advantages of running smaller diesel boats will certainly deminish, but again it's not going to effect the 'industry'. Joe Bloggs whom was considering a diesel Rib will probably go for a petrol one now. Mr. Rib salesman still gets his sale. We have three large privately owned marinas in Falmouth, all three have a three year waiting list. Is the price of diesel gonna effect that? Don't think so. A massive hike in interest rates might. So, is it gonna be full DERV price or somewhere in between?

Oh yeah, and as of a couple of years ago Kerosene is dyed yellow, so just as big a wrist slap for using it as red. We are getting pulled and tested regularly in these parts, even fancy new 4x4's.
As far as Gin palaces go this change is a talking point in the bar bordering on irrelevance (most are floating caravans anyway) cod I'm not sure where to get your 1400! average weekend is around 300 ( 300hp engines )...presently as mollers said it's the berthing fees (example 40 footer = 5,000 per year) this cost only goes up however much you use the boat.

Anti - fouling about 1000.... 500 for services, per engine.. among all the others marina services cleaning/polishing, ,shore power,mech issues (they are less reliable than rib's by a long way)...the list go on and on, .

The cost of fuel, relatively speaking is not important.

Running a diesel rib, I could imagine this rise being catastrophic.... there are two big what looks llike 10mtr passenger ribs in the marina, both with 2x200 hp evinrudes still can't work out how the figure stack up over using petrol instread of diesel... can't see them changing now...
__________________
IBWET is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 December 2006, 03:40   #29
Administrator
 
John Kennett's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Brighton
Length: 3m +
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 6,830
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim griffin View Post
Think Red deisel will stay. All the commercial operators will do is apply for the duty back , just the same as all the commercials who operate petrol boats do .
Surely that's a contradiction isn't it?

If red stays then there will be no need to claim the duty back.

John
__________________
John Kennett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 December 2006, 03:47   #30
RIBnet admin team
 
Nos4r2's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: WhiteNoise/Dominator
Make: Ballistic 7.8/SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Opti 225/Yam 85
MMSI: 235090687/235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,645
RIBase
I wonder if people would count as being commercial users if they bought a shellfish fishing licence?

I don't think there's any requirements to actually catch anything if you've got one.
__________________
Need spares,consoles,consumables,hire,training or even a new boat?

Please click HERE and HERE and support our Trade Members.

Join up as a Trade member or Supporter HERE
Nos4r2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 18:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.