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Old 19 November 2005, 14:17   #11
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so Guys

The Nuts and bolts are rusty, but not to the stage where they would fail and you can still see the tread well, i think the first option is to try the oil and a bit of force. I'm not sure its very easy, if at all, to get a hacksaw in but again i will try.

The avonride, i just know they are 1300kg Axles, but for sure they are bad, you can here me coming so they need changing. I could leave it another year but i just like to keep things in good order

plenty of ideas, i will keep you posted, I'm off down next weekend to have a go, may take some pictures of the whole event.
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Old 20 November 2005, 04:37   #12
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My replacement axel came from
http://www.peaktrailers.com/

I was a lot better than the old Alco one, and cheaper. You will need to give them a couple of measurements and they build them to order in around 2-3 weeks.
They use proper bearings etc, so you have some chance of serviceing them.

Get some Plus Gas for any seized nuts, which is far better than WD40.

Are the axels fixed to a length of angle iron which is U bolted to the chassis?
If they are, you will have to take a saw/angle grinder/nut splitter/lump hammer & cold chisel because these nuts are the are on C'sk screws between the angle and chassis. Once loose they will just spin.
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Old 20 November 2005, 05:57   #13
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Yes i think thats how its works, i think this allows the wheelbase to be changed (nose weight). As you say the U bolts attach to the main frame and the nut and bolts i am on about attach the axles to the "sub frame" that can be moved.

The avonrides have been OK, i just think the bloke who had it before me did not give the axles enough TLC.

All good advise so thanks, i will keep you posted good or bad
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DONT oil them. All it'll do is make the socket slip and muller the bolt head unless you do it as below...

Best way is to heat them up with a blowtorch/acetylene kit then oil the threads while it's all still hot. Put a piece of metal plate between the bolt and your hull to reflect excess heat.KEEP A FIRE EXTINGUISHER HANDY!
They should come free with a socket then.

If that sounds too risky, dotpunch the centre of the bolt head and drill it off then replace them.
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Sorry Nos4r2, do not replace the bolts with stainles steel ones! They will work harden and possibly break. Use high tensile bolts and stainless nuts and washers. As I said before, put water resistant grease on everything when you reassemble. Castrol CL is really sticky. You can get it from Halfords.
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Sorry Nos4r2, do not replace the bolts with stainles steel ones! They will work harden and possibly break. Use high tensile bolts and stainless nuts and washers. As I said before, put water resistant grease on everything when you reassemble. Castrol CL is really sticky. You can get it from Halfords.
Fair comment...!-edited to remove that bit.
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DONT oil them. All it'll do is make the socket slip and muller the bolt head unless you do it as below...

Best way is to heat them up with a blowtorch/acetylene kit then oil the threads while it's all still hot. Put a piece of metal plate between the bolt and your hull to reflect excess heat.KEEP A FIRE EXTINGUISHER HANDY!
They should come free with a socket then.

If that sounds too risky, dotpunch the centre of the bolt head and drill it off then replace them.
How the hell can oil make the socket slip??? It does NOT work by friction - it is not going to make ANY difference as long as the socket is a proper fit!!!

Gear teeth don't slip when they are covered in oil do they???
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It does NOT work by friction
Errr.......... yes it does.
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Errr.......... yes it does.
Are you sure???

I think you will find that it is down to leverage.
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How the hell can oil make the socket slip??? It does NOT work by friction - it is not going to make ANY difference as long as the socket is a proper fit!!!

Gear teeth don't slip when they are covered in oil do they???

gear teeth are lubricated to stop them wearing, no they wont slip because they mechanically cant, but, they can wear out due to the friction.

if a socket is the right size then it can not slip but if the socket is slightly the wrong size for the nut or bolt then lubrication could cause the two to slip, perhaps this is what is being referred to here
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