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Old 05 August 2012, 05:24   #11
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C2 Ribs is addressing the sort of concerns I would have if skippering a commercial boat with the general public aboard. If you are out there a lot, you are bound to be a likely first responder or simply stumble upon a situation fairly often. Patently, where life is at risk and you are a witness, you have no decision to take - you assist. However, if a call is heard on the VHF referring to a situation some way off, I would be more inclined to inform the CG of my location AND passengers before charging off to assist (I would prepare to do so immediately though). That way, the CG would have "tasked" me, clearly defining my role and involvement, strengthening my position should there be any repercussions from passengers at a later date. After that, one has to consider involvement with dead bodies very carefully - lots of passengers, some young and a boat full of cameras could make for a very potent mix...

My local CG have begun bringing bodies ashore at locations removed from the main search center, mainly to avoid the public eye and the attendant problems.
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Old 05 August 2012, 06:03   #12
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My local CG have begun bringing bodies ashore at locations removed from the main search center, mainly to avoid the public eye and the attendant problems.
If at all possible think that seems to be the norm nowadays , if its a busy town and news has got around lifeboats will often land the deceased at another flanking station preplanned site or use a private/ secure quayside away from the public glare and to also give a bit of dignity to the relatives and friends and the deceased themselves as well as the decontamination of clothing and equipment .

It's not all doom and gloom though on a lighter note there was a photo recently of training dummy that had been lost and turned up about 200 miles away a few weeks later
Having been recovered by another lifeboat station the crew members when back on dry land sat the bright yellow waveweary manakin at a table with hands in his face and a well earned cup of tea in front of him the caption ! Phew that was a long swim !

And before someone says how come they lost him ( good job he wasn't real)
in most cases not the fault of the lifeboat crew but perhaps the fault of other outside agency's that are perhaps testing out new computer software or theories on current/wave drift or the lifeboat gets tasked to a real rescue .
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And before someone says how come they lost him ( good job he wasn't real)
in most cases not the fault of the lifeboat crew but perhaps the fault of other outside agency's that are perhaps testing out new computer software or theories on current/wave drift or the lifeboat gets tasked to a real rescue .

So essentially a big boy dun it then ran away

Pleased to hear that in this instance no soul perished
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Pleased to hear that in this instance no soul perished
I don't suppose that the RNLI often throw casualties out and then head off to other incidents, hmmm?

Although I can think of circumstances where they might feel tempted
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I don't suppose that the RNLI often throw casualties out and then head off to other incidents, hmmm?
I was talking about the dummy, and the explanation as to why it might not be the RNLI mistake (much nicer word than fault don't you think) I certainly wouldn't expect them to do that to a real casualty.


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Although I can think of circumstances where they might feel tempted
I think it's fair to say I'm nowhere near as bright or learned as yourself, would you be kind enough to explain what these circumstances might be.
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Would you be kind enough to explain what these circumstances might be.
Well, like these I suppose.

My apologies, I appear to have misunderstood the main thrust of your initial post. When I'm messing about, I put use a winking smiley so others know that I'm not serious.

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Just got back in from another busy day and caught up.

When the initial call came in, I first ensured that I slowed the boat to enable the crew and I to clearly hear all the radio transmissions and to assess the situation. When the position became clear, we both felt that what the Dutch (not French) skipper was trying to describe was persons in the water. Knowing how big the tides were combined with very strong winds, we felt that we were in a position to help quickly.
There were 12 adults on our vessel and I told them briefly of the situation and got their approval to assist. The Condow Express had told the Coastguard she was proceeding to the position, but I felt that we could be there just as quickly and our type of vessel (RIB) is likely to be much more likely to be able to render assistance than a 5500 tonne fast cat (even if they could launch life rafts).
When we returned to the Quay, we gave refunds to all the passengers and appologised, ALL of them said we did the right thing and said we acted in a professional way and correctly. Some of them refused to accept refunds, which was very kind and some came out on the next trip. The lady with the panic attack, also said that we acted correctly. She was very nervous before the trip and later said she hates boats and only did because her boyfriend wanted too. I therefore thing this might have happened later in the trip, which might have been interesting around at Dancing Ledges .....
If I truely thought it was just bodies, I might have assessed the situation differently and let the Condor Express do its own thing, however if there is the slightest chance of saving a life without threat to our own, I would do the same every time.

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Steve I don't believe anyone was challenging your decision on the day, it was a discussion of views and what we all think about on charters . You were the person present and made a good call well done
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Steve I don't believe anyone was challenging your decision on the day, it was a discussion of views and what we all think about on charters . You were the person present and made a good call well done
What that man said too. Rereading one of my previous posts prompts me to say that I was asking about a theoretical situation, but I see how it might be read as criticism of your response. It wasn't
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Understood both, and I did not read it that way either.
Was just following up with some back ground info.
We even got a very nice email from the guys at Swanage RNLI
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