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Old 11 April 2016, 11:46   #11
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>>>only thing putting me off is reports of the hull flexing at speed.

Not sure which model you're referring to but... I'd caution you on buying any flat air floor SIB brand new without trying it on the sea with an outboard sufficient to push it up to at least 15kts or so.

The flexy floor hierachy goes like this...

As a comparison - GRP hull RIB - rigid... perfect.

Aerotec with V air floor - To all intents rigid and no flexy floor effects on the plane.

Honwave 3.8 V air floor - Similar but more shallow V & some reports of minor flex.

Zodiac Acti-V HP keel air floor - better than a flat air floor but some flexy effects.

All other air floor models with a sausage keel - A fair degree of flexy floor effects.

Tender type SIB with slat floor - Flappy to a degree it won't plane.

When I refer to flexy air floor effects it's an odd feeling of standing on a slightly jelly like floor and under way on the plane odd things can happen like a feeling you've run over a whale as a hump is felt under your feet, the SIB can slow and the prop can ventilate losing drive. They all suffer this effect to a greater or lesser degree... the shorter the SIB the less they suffer.

It's a personal thing but you might hate a flat air floor model like the Excel 360 doing this.

Yep the Honwave alloy floor T35 & T40 models look great and are roomy... downside they're heavy and a little time consuming to assemble.
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Old 11 April 2016, 12:01   #12
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Thanks Fenlander, that's very useful.

If the Honwave is going to be better than the Excel in that respect then that sells it for me.

I suppose you can't expect perfect for 1000, which is peanuts in boat money. So a compromise has to be made somewhere.

It's worth putting up with this for the sake of weight. I worked out a T38 with a Suzuki 20HP motor would be 92KG. As I'm sure you already know a T40 is 80Kg+ just on it's own!
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Old 11 April 2016, 18:32   #13
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OK, so I definitely have had the floor on my Honwave "bulge" at speed. We're talking at 19-20+ knots the rear 1/2 of the floor would bulge up then down again to the transom. The prop did not cavitate and there was no noticeable loss in power or performance, it just looked a bit weird. This was one-up and perhaps with more people/load on board the effect would be different.

Also, and this could be a significant "also"... This was winter and I dare say the floor pressure might have dropped to 0.7, 0.6, maybe less, which I believe can have considerable effect on floor performance.

For London living/storage I don't think you'll go wrong with a Honwave.
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Old 11 April 2016, 18:38   #14
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@MatFromPoland Thanks for the input. I'm actually quite pleased with the bike rack set-up and want to avoid a trailer however off we end up wanting to take bikes and not I might indeed end up with a small box-trailer.

FWIW I would never put an OBM lying down in one of those trailers, they bounce all over the place and I can only imagine they would give an OBM one hell of a ride... Not somewhere I'd want to stick an expensive bit of kit.
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we used a small camping box type trailer we put the outboard in the back of our van all our camping/boating gear in the trailer and the rolled up boat in its bag strapped to the lid of our trailer worked great and left room in the van
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Old 12 April 2016, 04:02   #16
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If I'm not mistaken roof limit for many cars is about 50 kg.
This is exactly weight of the T38IE2.
You have hook. Why do not invest small trailer and tow SIB and engine ?
I think you can secure engine by some wood or any other thing (HONWAVE manual do not recommend to tow engine on transom).

I have big van but HONWAVE and BF20 took all free places (we are 5 persons family). If I keep HONWAVE definitely will use trailer next time



Or use below mentioned trailer to tow deflated SIB plus engine:
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Why do you not use the supplied storage bag you are loosing lots of space.
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Old 12 April 2016, 04:20   #17
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I think it would be possible to transport a Ribeye on the roof rack, but at 64KG I'd struggle on my own. I'd also struggle to justify storing a true RIB at our London flat, even in the back garden, it's quite a lump.
Just something to bear in mind but before buying the T38 I knew I would roof-load it at times to avoid inflate/deflate... I was of the opinion, "pah, 48kg, that'll be fine". In fact it's bloody awkward and if you don't want to trash your roof you'll definitely need a second pair of hands. Don't get me wrong, it can be done, but you'll need plenty of protection in place both for the roof and boat as it will involve a lot of sliding if you're doing it alone.

The engine too (in my case 47kg) is handy for a second pair of hands just to lift the leg in - again it can be done single handed and I probably do 50% of the time but a gentle lift is useful (my 6 year old does it for me so it's not 'heavy', just awkward).

@MatFromPoland's engine looks upright, but it surely can't be... is it?
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Old 12 April 2016, 05:13   #18
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Just something to bear in mind but before buying the T38 I knew I would roof-load it at times to avoid inflate/deflate... I was of the opinion, "pah, 48kg, that'll be fine". In fact it's bloody awkward and if you don't want to trash your roof you'll definitely need a second pair of hands. Don't get me wrong, it can be done, but you'll need plenty of protection in place both for the roof and boat as it will involve a lot of sliding if you're doing it alone.
I have used the roof many times with out problem single handed, I wheel the boat up to the back flip it up on to the end, then lift up from the transom this way you are never taking all the weight, photos are from years ago on my first try I now have a frame I made to keep it off the roof!
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Old 12 April 2016, 06:01   #19
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Only way I ever carry mine, inflating/deflating SIB's is a PITA - bung 'em on the roof!

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Here is my set up. I'm 100 percent on my hitch carrier leaving my entire Suv empty. Also transporting the outboard upright is so much easier on my back too. Here is a video of my rig.

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