Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 11 February 2007, 14:25   #21
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
For every £1 you spend at the pumps, the Government currently snatches around 65 pence in fuel tax. Depending on which car you drive, you pay between about 10p and 50p a mile in general motoring taxation. In addition to all this, the Government has already expressed a desire to introduce road tolls of up to £1.34 per mile. Sorry, but it's just another, barely legal, tax to use roads we've already paid for several times over
__________________

__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 February 2007, 14:47   #22
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 12,791
Just seen it is now over the 1 million mark - biggest petition ever - but the government are still trying to ignore it!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6349027.stm
__________________

__________________
codprawn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 February 2007, 15:21   #23
RIBnet supporter
 
Ian M's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: New Milton
Boat name: Jianna
Make: Osprey
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200 E-TEC
MMSI: 235076954
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kennett View Post
I think he was suggesting Biggles' back yard instead of his own!

John
Doh
__________________
Ian

Dust creation specialist
Ian M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 February 2007, 15:50   #24
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
If we had the space we'd take them.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 February 2007, 15:53   #25
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Galway
Boat name: rockhopper
Make: ballistic
Length: 6m +
Engine: petrol
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 525
WE have the same level of tax over here.

What I cannot get over are the "Pinkos" on there bicycles who want their own lane and want all traffic moved out of Dublin.

They pay no tax at all and in my opinion have no say in what happens on our roads. I also humbly suggest that they should all have mandetory insurance.
Have you ever seen someone been hit by a bike at speed. Even hitting the car side on will destroy a panel and all you get back at best is Sorry as they cycle off and youc left with destroyed panel wondering should you feel lucky cos you know the courts will do you just because they know that the cuclist has no money and is a pinko who begrudges us in our suv's because they are too bloody mean to run a car.
__________________
Aidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 February 2007, 16:05   #26
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
I would love to use my push bike more but here we don't have any proper cycle paths. A 12 year old lad was killed on 2 Jan this year on a traffic calming part of the road the council in its infinate wisdom had decided to narrow recently.
If the council would build cycle paths away from the road through towns I bet loads of people would use them. All we get instead are bits of the road painted red with a white line. The roads aren't any bigger no wonder motorists are hacked off. I would even cycle on footpaths because very few people walk on them but you need a 4 X 4 on most of those.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 February 2007, 16:19   #27
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Galway
Boat name: rockhopper
Make: ballistic
Length: 6m +
Engine: petrol
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 525
Always sorry to hear of Kids getting Hurt,

If I could trust our bad roads which I cannot, I would have an easier time and maybe cycle myself but indeed let the Boys cycle to School and Rugby etc. All the Mummis are only driving them (fathers too) because we dont trust the roads systems.
If you are ona bike and come on a Pot hole (which we have many here 0) you have to swerve and the only way to do this and remain on the Bike is outwards into the traffic.... How can it possibly work!

It cannot...
__________________
Aidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 February 2007, 04:44   #28
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Stanley, Falkland Is
Boat name: Seawolf
Make: Osprey Vipermax 5.8
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 150
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,688
Number 10 has got around the problem of too many signatures.

"Sorry, but we weren't able to add your signature to the petition, because our site is extremely busy at the moment. Please try again in a few minutes' time."

About the last 30 times I have tried to sign it, still trying
__________________
A Boat is a hole in the water, surrounded by fibreglass, into which you throw money...

Sent from my Computer, using a keyboard and mouse
BogMonster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 February 2007, 08:33   #29
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,850
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6352957.stm
__________________
Jimbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 February 2007, 10:37   #30
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Portsmouth
Make: Tornado
Length: 6m +
Engine: Yamaha HPDI 200
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 323
Send a message via MSN to thorper
The thing that has been handled badly is the communication from government, which as they probably havent worked out a lot of detail yet, they don't want to set expectation. As a result, the 'no more tax' and 'militant motorists' are banging their drums.

A few points to debate:

1) Road charging is most likely to be revenue neutral. Ie. scrapping the road tax and reducing fuel duty.

To break that apart:

Revenue neutral - this was what was going to happen for lorry road charging before it was put on hold pending the implementation of full road chargning (I worked on the technology part of this - it had the fringe benefit of foreign vehicles having to pay for ripping up our roads too). Road tax would have been removed too (commercial lorries claim fuel duty back from the government anyway).

2) By having flat rate taxes (road tax, fuel charge), people assume the right to use as they've paid for it. Most roads are a finite resource, weather we like it or not.

The most effective way to balance use of finite resources is to introduce a market, which in this case is road usage charging. (incidentally this is the same theory behind carbon offsetting)

3) The charge isnt the only thing that needs to happen, but it will be the catalyst for change. For example, schools and businesses would start to stagger working hours to help reduce/make charges more effective. This has worked in other cities.

The cost will have to offset the implementation and maintenance costs, which should be carefully run (unfortunately not something that the government has done well to date - possibly the biggest thing against it all).

4) Big brother complaints - the government knows pretty much everything about you already, so whats the worry? There are plenty of effective information controls already for all the data they do have, so why should this be any different? Speeding has been already taken out of the picture.

I'm all for road usage charging - it won't make anyone particularly poorer or richer, but will ensure that we can actually get around in the future.
__________________

__________________
Ricky
-------------------------
http://www.rickydiver.com
thorper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:51.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.