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Old 28 July 2004, 10:06   #41
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Remind me who said that?.....
Daniel TD5. I have to say I agree with Windchill and this guy's worth listening to - he could afford to buy Land Rover outright


ps. sorry, Richard
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Old 28 July 2004, 10:38   #42
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Daniel TD5. I have to say I agree with Windchill and this guy's worth listening to - he could afford to buy Land Rover outright


ps. sorry, Richard
As windchill said

As for being a poor man's RR - BOLLOCKS!! I bough my wife's out of choice as I believe the engine particularly to be considerably better than anything RR have to offer.

Choice being The word

i still think the overland is a rangerover wannbe as are most big 4X4 but
now the wannbes seem to come very close to the mark as landrover fall lower and lower with all aspects of product range

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Old 28 July 2004, 10:49   #43
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I've only just picked......

...up on this thread and thought the following may amuse.

About two weeks ago in Abersoch I saw a big black shiny 04 plated RR being towed by Disco who had also broken down and was in turn just about to accept a tow from a JEEP. Upon reflection, I really wish I'd taken a photo as it would have no doubt won some sort of "readers photos" prize in a Landi or 4x4 Magazine.

With all that's been said by people with a lot more experience and knowledge than me, may I interject with the vain statement of the obvious "Street Cred'". The RR wins hands down on the Grandiose Scale.
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Only just caught on to this thread.

I agree 0-60 in 30.6 seconds is definatly wrong, are you sure they didn't mean months!
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...and there I was thinking it had something to do with the industry's inability to compete competitively with foreign manufacturers, management's failure to instigate effective restructuring measures in response to declining markets and increasing global competition, failure to adequately develop export distribution networks, failure to incorporate the requisite technological advances into production processes, oh and of course its repeated inability to make reliable cars. Shows how wrong you can be, doesn't it?
No I am on about the amazing ability of British people to run this country down at every possible opportunity for whatever reason they can find.

Are you telling me that FIAT built wonderfull cars back in the 70s and 80s - or Citreon or Renault? Remember the 2cv and Renault 4? Remember the FIAT 126 and 124? And yet Italians and the French keep buying vast numbers of their cars!

Dennis fire engines are fantastic - never any probs - surely it makes economic sense for BRITISH local authorities to buy things made HERE!!! And yet loads are now using Scania and god knows what else.

Ask Joe Pubic and they will think that most British companies are now foreign owned - that Britain can't make anything decent - and that everything British breaks down all the time!

Britain leads the world in so many fields and British business owns more foreign companies than the rest of the world put together!
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...or it could be because people like me (and I'm on my 12th Land Rover product) have to wait two weeks (Yes that's right TWO weeks) for a warranty repair. TWO weeks to fit two new half-shafts and drive flanges. It's not that I'm complaining about them failing, although you must admit that that in itself is fairly poor, but the fact that they could not get the parts for two weeks. The dealer, by the way, is only 4 miles from the factory and nearly as close to GKN!
And do you know what they (LandRover assistance) provided as a courteousy car? A Jaguar........

Just as well you didn't buy an Audi TT then - my mate had one just before it was discovered that the TT also had a lethal handling fault(german design again). His car was taken away for 3 MONTHS and he was given an A4 as a replacememnt - not a happy bunny!
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............ Are you telling me that FIAT built wonderfull cars back in the 70s and 80s - or Citreon or Renault? Remember the 2cv and Renault 4? Remember the FIAT 126 and 124? And yet Italians and the French keep buying vast numbers of their cars!........
I passed my driving test in a Renault 4 , Examiner took one look at it and said if I could get it moving he'd pass me!! Pretty good off-road too, probably not with a RIB behind it though.......



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Old 28 July 2004, 13:03   #48
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As for being a poor man's RR - BOLLOCKS!! I bough my wife's out of choice as I believe the engine particularly to be considerably better than anything RR have to offer. Didn't anybody see Top Gear when JC tested some big 4WDs in the mud? The Jeep outpaced the RR! Build isn't as good, but is is certainly good enough. If a car ever can be, I think it was good VFM - and there are deals to be had!

Actually I DO remember that Top Gear - the Land Rover Series I beat them all. To be honest slippery conditions are NOT a test of offroading - a Freelander is great in the slippery stuff but would be crap over rocks and boulders.

"Having said all this, I do fancy trying the new VW Touareg V10 diesel next!!"

WHY??? It has an awesome engine but it is too low for an offroader and too high for a sportscar!
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Oh yes, I just thought of another good reason for buying a Defender; the panels come pre-distorted so it doesn't look so bad after a prang.

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Old 28 July 2004, 13:31   #50
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No I am on about the amazing ability of British people to run this country down at every possible opportunity for whatever reason they can find.

Are you telling me that FIAT built wonderfull cars back in the 70s and 80s - or Citreon or Renault? Remember the 2cv and Renault 4? Remember the FIAT 126 and 124? And yet Italians and the French keep buying vast numbers of their cars!

Yes, but the point is they got better. My Land Rover defender quality has deteriorated.. galvanized body cappings, Proper insulation between Carbon steel and Aluminium Etc....

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Dennis fire engines are fantastic - never any probs -

My Arse! As a one-time whole time fire fighter, I'm telling you that you are wrong. We had 'em off the run all the time...

...and take a good look round your house and business... how many of the products that you have brought are actually MADE in the UK?

It used to make me laugh to see "Keep Britain Farming" stickers on the back of farmer's Volvos, Mercs Etc...

Oh,By the way? I run a moderately successful engineering works that exports world-wide, but I don't wear blinkers...
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