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Old 08 December 2012, 16:30   #1
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hho Generator for frelander v6 2.5 petrol

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Has any one any experience with hho generators especially for the freelander v6 2.5 petrol.

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guys

Has any one any experience with hho generators especially for the freelander v6 2.5 petrol.

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I'd've thought that with the weak head gaskets of this engine that the results could be, er, interesting.

Assuming there's anything in it, of course ;-)
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It CAN'T work. It takes more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than it makes when you burn hydrogen in oxygen to make water. It's a universal constant.
Unfortunately, it sounds plausable to the salesmen who sell it(who generally aren't bright enough to change a universal constant).
It's snake oil. If it worked, then it'd be fitted on new cars.
Same goes for magnets on fuel lines, tin mesh catalysts, etc...
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Guys its really easy to make and they do work.

best to build it out of stainless.

mine is stainless steel tube with stainless mesh inside for the anode.

make quite alot of H2 and O.

and this is just a test unit running of the 12V of the car.

you just add the HH & O in to the air intakes. give much more mpg.
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Nos, Willk - you boys are clearly misleading the public with all your talk of snake oil and laws of thermodynamics... Jezza says he's made one himself and it works - so it must be true.

So Jezza can you explain how it works? I'm particularly interested in understanding:

* where the energy comes from to break the H-O-H bonds?
* presumably since you refer to anode and 12V this comes from the battery?
* where does the battery get its energy from?
* the alternator... ...which gets its energy from the engine.
* and the engine gets its energy from combustion. And the combustion of H2 produces exactly the same amount of energy as it takes to turn water into H2 and O2.
* so even if your process was 100% efficient it would result in no net gain, but charging batteries, alternators, combustion engines etc are all rather inefficient...

Now how much water do you put in? even if you could miraculously turn water to hydrogen at no energy cost, then 1L of water (1 kg) produces just (2/18 kg of H2), which will produce 123 * 2 / 18 MJ of heat... ...thats about the same as 1/3rd of a litre of petrol... Unless you are adding a lot of water (litres per trip) then a noticeable change is impossible.

Add that to the fact that your engine is optimised for burning petrol not hydrogen and without some significant retuning its not going to run efficiently on hydrogen.
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If ya think it is free energy then the idea is pure snake oil. Agreed.

However if you can add hho into the fuel mix with air and petrol it leads to a more efficient combustion and lowering of consumption.

I was just wondering if anyone had done it on the freelancer petrol.

What is this about weak gasket on landie?

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If ya think it is free energy then the idea is pure snake oil. Agreed.

However if you can add hho into the fuel mix with air and petrol it leads to a more efficient combustion and lowering of consumption.

I was just wondering if anyone had done it on the freelancer petrol.

What is this about weak gasket on landie?

Thks


At what point is what you said not describing free energy?

1) There is no such thing as HHO. It's a junk name invented by quacks.


2)IT TAKES MORE ENERGY TO SPLIT WATER INTO HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN THAN YOU GET BACK OUT BY BURNING IT BECAUSE YOUR CAR BATTERY CHARGING SYSTEM AND THE GAS GENERATOR CANNOT BE 100% EFFICIENT.
YOU CANNOT GET ROUND THIS.

3) If you really think this works then you give me a a tenner, I'll give you a five pound note and tell you you've saved some money. We can do that all day 'til you're bankrupt.


It's NOT rocket science.
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What is this about weak gasket on landie?
Google has the answer. The "Rover" 2.5 V6 is better than the "Rover" K series 1.8 4 pot but still no cigar. And by some margin.
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Gents, just playing devils advocate here, I'd never heard of "HHO, Browns gas" etc until this thread. Just supposing that:- the infernal combustion engine is notoriously in-efficient, around 20% IIRC. Lets say that adding some of the magic ingredient increased the efficiency of the fuel burn by a significant amount, which resulted in the engine producing more power per unit of petrol used. Not because of the energy from the HHO which we know has a net cost, but because the engine is now running more efficiently. So by adding the HHO which might "cost" 1% in fuel, we increase the efficiency of the engine by 10%, so the net gain is +ve. On an engine as poor at using fuel as a combustion engine, there are gains to be made.

Just my 2 penneth, could be total bollix, dunno!
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