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Old 21 August 2006, 19:08   #11
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If this is how Audi and presumably VB being in the same group are. we all know Mercs arenít great for reliability or prices, what bout BMW? Price is a rip off, reliability?
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Old 21 August 2006, 22:49   #12
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On my 5th Audi and bar the and bar the hassle I had with the head gasket on the RS2 all have been 100% spot on. The problem is the more electronics you stick in a thing the more opportunity for hassle you have. And yes I know I am starting to sound like some one talking about Land Rovers.
Yes come on Gavin - how about a thread on Audis???
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Bear in mind that the DSG is not an ordinary gearbox. It's two electrically controlled hydraulic clutches operating a manual gearbox with split second gearchanges. So just like you can stall a manual car, if the computer aint working right then I'm sure the DSG can stall as well. Personally I think it's fantastic, no power loss and smooth changes, but then mines still working alright.

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Bear in mind that the DSG is not an ordinary gearbox. It's two electrically controlled hydraulic clutches operating a manual gearbox with split second gearchanges. So just like you can stall a manual car, if the computer aint working right then I'm sure the DSG can stall as well. Personally I think it's fantastic, no power loss and smooth changes, but then mines still working alright.

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Going to take it back to Audi again Tuesday next week, so see what they come up with again, stalled again this morning poxey thing.
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not any more in the UK. the Office of Fair Trading has declared this unfair and forced the industry to allow non main dealers to do servicing.

No- they got aroud this one, by refusing to sell to a non authorised agent the
special tools and diagnostic computers that are necessary to do the servicing.

This is particular for later models.- I believe after 2004.

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Old 22 August 2006, 06:04   #16
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If this is how Audi and presumably VB being in the same group are. we all know Mercs arenít great for reliability or prices, what bout BMW? Price is a rip off, reliability?

It seems an inherent culture with the VW group. I have not encounted this kind of protection with other makes- although I would be the first to admit that a VW is a well built car compared to similar priced vehicles. However, having said that - my wife has a 2005 BMW 320d estate and it is better than the similar VW or Audi. The motor has a chain for the cam, and servicing is comparitively very cheap.The motor is more economical, and will easily do 300000 kms without major problems.Mercedes, do they make cars???

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not any more in the UK. the Office of Fair Trading has declared this unfair and forced the industry to allow non main dealers to do servicing.

No- they got aroud this one, by refusing to sell to a non authorised agent the
special tools and diagnostic computers that are necessary to do the servicing.

This is particular for later models.- I believe after 2004.

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Then buy a car that is put together with normal tools and stop moaning about it. I know for a fact that my local garage services almost any vehicle and does so with the warranty remaining valid. The only exception I am aware of is citreon hydroelastic suspension - where they, probably sensibly, suggested that I really should take it to citreon dealer, cause its not something they are experts in. I have no idea what happens in Belgium.
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So don't buy Audi then.

Are skoda's just as bad then? I was looking at an Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Est. Basicly the same running gear as all Audi, VW and Seat.

Buy a Skoda!!

I had my Octavia 2.0TDi for 18 months with my last job.
I put 50 k on it in that time and it was great.
The 2.0 TDi engine is a stormer.
You get a lot of car for your money too.

Only fault on mine was the turbo inlet pipe clip failed. 80mph + turbo - oil = BANG!!!

Skoda collected the car, gave me another Octavia, and had mine back to me in two days.

If I was gonna buy a car I wouldn't go anywhere else.

ps. Tow well too with all that diesel power!!
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Old 22 August 2006, 07:40   #19
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I have no idea what happens in Belgium

I AM NOT MOANING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST COMPLAINING

In Belgium, VW have a vicious, monopolistic, ignorant, stupid, sole importer, and in the main part the attitude is carried forward to the retailers. When a main dealer has to have a permament member of staff just to inform customers that when they come to pick up their cars- that they better check with their bank manger first - something aint right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

As regards buying a car made with ordinary tools, can'find one- and of course
cant afford a rolls, and I dont want one with a wooden chassis either( Morgan). This my spec:

cost < 5000 quid
takes 3000 kgs payload
does 200 mpg
service interval every 100.000 miles

should be possible

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Old 22 August 2006, 08:00   #20
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.... I dont want one with a wooden chassis either (Morgan). ....
Good job really... since they don't have a wooden chassis...
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