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Old 10 October 2009, 10:11   #21
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The Evinrude V8 2 stroke was 400hp
That isn't exactly correct is it. You keep quoting it, but the original 3.6 and the later 4.0 litre motors were only ever 300hp from the factory, and were hand grenades waiting to go off.

Some tuning companies such as "second effort" did offer upgrades around the 400hp mark, but weren't a very reliable or useable motor in that state of tune, and were solely aimed at the racing market.
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Old 10 October 2009, 12:02   #22
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That isn't exactly correct is it. You keep quoting it, but the original 3.6 and the later 4.0 litre motors were only ever 300hp from the factory, and were hand grenades waiting to go off.

Some tuning companies such as "second effort" did offer upgrades around the 400hp mark, but weren't a very reliable or useable motor in that state of tune, and were solely aimed at the racing market.

Yes they were only 300hp originally but quite a few were turned out as 400hp - don't know about being bombs waiting to go off as they still change hands for silly money and have an avid following in the USA - if they were that fragile there would be none left by now.

In fact some of them were running at 600hp - now THAT is what I call a grenade waiting to go off.......



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verado 350 sci

hi all thanks for all the reply's
looks like it's going to bo the suzuki 300dfr because of the fuel, range and weight

RANGE
suzuki 300 92ltr's an hour @55kts avg ,fuel 700ltr = 418nm range
verado 300 104ltr's an hour @55 avg ,fuel 700ltr = 368nm range
verado 350 140ltr's an hour @60kts avg ,fuel 700ltr = 300nm range

FUEL
nomal run for me is only around 200nm so the fuel I would not have to carry so much
suzuki 300 to do 200nm @ 55kts = 335ltr's time 3.36
verado 300 to do 200nm @ 55kts = 379.6ltr's + 44.6ltr time 3.36
verado 350 to do 200nm @ 60kts = 462ltr's + 127ltr time 3.18

WEIGHT
verado 300 extra 44.6ltr =33kg's
verado 350 extra 127ltr = 94kg's

I have being using suzuki since 86 I would love to see suzuki bring out a 350 our even a 400.
I would still like to see a fuel flow chart for a 8/9m rib with a single 350 to see the mid to high fuel burn thanks again for all your help
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Old 11 October 2009, 08:16   #24
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hi all thanks for all the reply's
looks like it's going to bo the suzuki 300dfr because of the fuel, range and weight

RANGE
suzuki 300 92ltr's an hour @55kts avg ,fuel 700ltr = 418nm range
verado 300 104ltr's an hour @55 avg ,fuel 700ltr = 368nm range
verado 350 140ltr's an hour @60kts avg ,fuel 700ltr = 300nm range

FUEL
nomal run for me is only around 200nm so the fuel I would not have to carry so much
suzuki 300 to do 200nm @ 55kts = 335ltr's time 3.36
verado 300 to do 200nm @ 55kts = 379.6ltr's + 44.6ltr time 3.36
verado 350 to do 200nm @ 60kts = 462ltr's + 127ltr time 3.18

WEIGHT
verado 300 extra 44.6ltr =33kg's
verado 350 extra 127ltr = 94kg's

I have being using suzuki since 86 I would love to see suzuki bring out a 350 our even a 400.
I would still like to see a fuel flow chart for a 8/9m rib with a single 350 to see the mid to high fuel burn thanks again for all your help
regards phillip
You must go test both engines.....You may change your mind..
All looks very easy on paper..its all about the ride....
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Hi Tony
because your boat is close to what Iam looking at what is the fuel burn and speed around 4000,4500,5000,5500,6000 & 6500 thanks Tony
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because your boat is close to what Iam looking at what is the fuel burn and speed around 4000,4500,5000,5500,6000 & 6500 thanks Tony
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I will check for you next time I am out..If you are spending that sort of money on a Rib/Engine..Fuel figuers really aren't a priority ....
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I will check for you next time I am out..If you are spending that sort of money on a Rib/Engine..Fuel figuers really aren't a priority ....
Tony you pay 47p a litre for fuel - you may think differently if you have to give an extra 80 an hour to Gordon Brown!!!

I have some very wealthy mates and they ALL hate paying for fuel. One owns 4 petrol stations and is worth quite a few million - he has converted his car to run on neat waste cooking oil which he gets from one of the hotels he owns!!!

His wife gets away with the costs of running 4 race horses though - 15,000 a month..............
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Tony you pay 47p a litre for fuel - you may think differently if you have to give an extra 80 an hour to Gordon Brown!!!

I have some very wealthy mates and they ALL hate paying for fuel. One owns 4 petrol stations and is worth quite a few million - he has converted his car to run on neat waste cooking oil which he gets from one of the hotels he owns!!!

His wife gets away with the costs of running 4 race horses though - 15,000 a month..............
Petrol is 72p here, so not so cheap. If one can afford to own racing horses, hotels,petrol stations and still have millions in the bank....I think running a 350 is small change...
The 350 is more thirsty than others...but you must try one, to understand that power.....
I believe its for racing aswell....when was the last time you heard Jenson Button say "put a smaller engine in the petrol is a bit expensive.."

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Been driving a 300 Verado and a 300 Suzuki all this season.

I do not work for or receive anything from any manufacture so a non bias view -

Verado has a smoother power delivery than the Suzuki, the Suzuki power tends to come in surges.
Verado is a lot quieter/smoother engine, although the Suzuki does give a nice growl at full chat.
Suzuki throttle control is very cheap and nasty compared to the Verado.
Merc props vastly superior to Suzuki and far greater choice.
A personal thing but the Suzuki does look better than the Verado.
Verado comes with a neat steering system in with the price + Optima battery.
Both engines were very reliable with no faults/failures.

A final note every one tends to compare fuel consumption at WOT when in reality (unless you are racing) with 300-350 hp on the back you tend not to run at WOT all the time. To give you some idea I used the 300 Verado for 30 hours, the general cruising speed was 4000rpm but we also did a fair bit of high speed stuff for photo shoots and demonstrations of the boat. The average consumption for the 30 hours was 26 LPH (figures are for a 300 Verado on a 25' 00'' deep V sportsboat with cuddy cabin).
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but you must try one, to understand that power.....
'Listen' to the man Codders

Mine was only a 275 but power delivery, and the digital throttle and shift was a joy to behold .. and I'd have another in an instant, as said many times, if you are pinching pennies at this point .. you will never 'get it'
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