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Old 06 November 2005, 07:17   #11
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm a 2stoke fan. I could see the advantage of the fours when there was such a fuel useage difference. Now that the modern HPDI two strokes are as economical, I kinda can't see the point in having a four stroke. I feel that the Fours are over complicated marinised car engines that are now being compromised in efforts to make them lighter and more powerful. This might be an over simplistic and slightly out of date view, but based on fact, I feel.
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Old 06 November 2005, 07:22   #12
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm a 2stoke fan. I could see the advantage of the fours when there was such a fuel useage difference. Now that the modern HPDI two strokes are as economical, I kinda can't see the point in having a four stroke. I feel that the Fours are over complicated marinised car engines that are now being compromised in efforts to make them lighter and more powerful. This might be an over simplistic and slightly out of date view, but based on fact, I feel.
Agree Molly..

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Old 06 November 2005, 09:38   #13
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm a 2stoke fan. I could see the advantage of the fours when there was such a fuel useage difference. Now that the modern HPDI two strokes are as economical, I kinda can't see the point in having a four stroke. I feel that the Fours are over complicated marinised car engines that are now being compromised in efforts to make them lighter and more powerful. This might be an over simplistic and slightly out of date view, but based on fact, I feel.
Couldn't agree more - from what others have said I would go for an ETEC 250 any day.
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Old 06 November 2005, 14:10   #14
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Are there many Rib charter companys using 250 E-Tec with say 750-1000 hours a year,its just that the ones i see are using Suzuki or Yams. Do they know somthing we dont.
I will admit that i have confirmed my order for a Yam 250 for a number of reasons,one being future value if i need to sell in the future.
I phoned round a few dealers (i know its sneeky) but no matter how good the new two strokes are they nearly all would buy a boat for stock if fitted with a Yam Suzuki or Honda 4 stroke but not keen on the new two strokes all would sell them by brokerage but would not part with there own money.
To be fair on a personal note the E-Tecs are cheeper by a very fair margin and if your crusing in pleasure only then the 3 year servicing thing makes it cheeper still so if the resale is low then i supose you cant have it both ways.
It will be interesting for me as my Brother wants a E-Tec for next year so we should have some friendly rivalary.
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Old 06 November 2005, 14:24   #15
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Ask him why he'd hang on to the 4stroke? Perhaps he perceives the residual to be better.It's a bit like the old diesel/petrol car thing. We were all brainwashed into wanting diesels, now the petrols are as economical and diesel is considerably more expensive than petrol. We have two diesel 4x4's and neither will do over 25mpg. I'd have a big gutsy petrol if i didn't depreciate like a stone.
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Old 06 November 2005, 16:25   #16
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I surpose you have answered the queastion, i to have a 4x4 diesel it cost a bit more than the petrol but the differance second hand after 3 years is approx 35% more than the petrol.
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Old 06 November 2005, 17:26   #17
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Agree Molly..

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I agree too but that wan't our mans question! However Modern 2 strokes are also very complicated!
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Old 07 November 2005, 16:40   #19
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Has anyone mentioned the sound ?

I love the sound AND smell of a twostroke.

Friend of mine has sold his Yam v100 and has bought a Suz 140.
His feeling of power on the boat has decreased by 50 %.
The fuel economy is absolutely a lot better.

I like my Optimax 225. She runs great. Next time I will defintely go for an ETEC HO.
No more four stroke for me thank you.
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Old 07 November 2005, 16:53   #20
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