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Old 02 July 2004, 04:39   #1
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2 Stroke Oils

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What type of oil do you 2 stroke owners use ?

Personally I used to purchase the "Quicksilver Plus", which costs 8 € / lit in 4 liter can. I heard though that you may find equal quality but cheaper oils, such as Penzoil.
So I am asking you guys, what type of oil, (and at what price), do you use ?
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Old 02 July 2004, 04:52   #2
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I used to use a Shell branded oil in my last Mercury 2-stroke which worked out at roughly €6 per litre, but was available at the pier. I'm sure I could have found it cheaper had I looked elsewhere. Now I have to use Quicksilver Optimax Oil for my new engine and this works out at €6.50 per litre which is a good enough price for quicksilver oil.
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Old 02 July 2004, 05:11   #3
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I use Quicksilver Premium at £14 per 4 Litres or £3.50 per Litre in old Money.
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Old 02 July 2004, 05:59   #4
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Friends,

What type of oil do you 2 stroke owners use ?

Personally I used to purchase the "Quicksilver Plus", which costs 8 € / lit in 4 liter can....
My mistake "Quicksilver Premium" not "Plus".
To be honest 32 € (VAT included), for 4 liters of oil is too much
I am trying to find a cheaper cheaper oil without sacrificing some characteristics. I know that it's VERY difficult to answer a question like that, but if someone has special chemical knowledge regarding this, a documented info would be highly appreciated.

Thanks again
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Old 02 July 2004, 06:31   #5
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I use Quicksilver Premium but it is expensive.

Twice in France I have used other (much cheaper) oils where Quicksilver was not available - without problems.On both occasions I spoke to a mechanic as opposed to the shop assisitant and was assured that the quality was the same i.e. it has to be for injection.
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Old 02 July 2004, 06:44   #6
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As long as the oil meets the right spec it will be ok - the performance oil market has to be one of the biggest rip offs ever - most of the stuff comes from the same source and is rebadged and priced in accordance!

The hard part is finding the oil that EXACTLY meets the spec.

Mercury do NOT make oil - got a funny feeling it is made by Castrol but my contact was pretty evasive on that one which is what makes me think they do make it!
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I used to work for a company who bought 2 stroke oil in 25L drums from BP, don't know about specs but it is available in 'bulk'! Speak to your local oil distributor.
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Old 02 July 2004, 09:21   #8
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As long as the oil meets the right spec it will be ok...
Usually TC-W3.

Not motorcycle oil which isn't generally to this standard.
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Old 02 July 2004, 12:40   #9
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Usually TC-W3.

Not motorcycle oil which isn't generally to this standard.
That's right. You just rang the bell. Didn't exactly remember the specification.
Manos told me the other day that Penzoil and Quicksilver, they both come from the same refinery, but distibuted as different trade marks. The question is that so far, none of us (consumers), has vested proof for that and as a result we spend much more money for this.
Of course one may save some cash if he prefers a larger package. I was told that there are 50 liter cans for the Quicksilver, with prices more or less 5 €/lit. Still that doesn't solve the problem, because one may find another type with the same specs and much much less money.
Any ideas and suggestions ?
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http://www.nmma.org/certification/pr...oil.asp?y=2004

Quite a long list - I see that pennzoil is actually owned by Shell - us Brits get everywhere!

Remember the type of oil has a lot to do with emmissions and the environment - castor straight would prob do an even better job but wouldn't want to risk it.

Mercury seem to say that you can use normal TCW3 oil in the optimax but you can't use the optimax oil in a normal efi outboard!!!! Probably due to high detergent levels

http://www.mercurymarine.com/optimax_faqs#1043

For outboards that require a 50:1 premix of oil/gas we've put together the following chart to simplify the calculations.

Only use 2-stroke outboard motor oil with a NMMA (National Marine Manufacturer's Assoc.) certified rating of TCW3. Never use automobile motor oil in your 2-stroke outboard!

TLDI outboards should only be run using TCW3 oil specifically formulated for use in Direct Injection motors. Standard TCW3 oil is not recommended for use in TLDI outboards. The following oils have been tested by our factory and certified for use in TLDI motors:

Tohatsu Marine Premium Oil

Nissan Marine Premium Oil

Pennzoil Complete Marine Synthetic

Pennzoil Semi-Synthetic Outboard Oil

Mercury Optimax/DFI Oil

Yamaha Yamalube 2-M Semi-Synthetic Injector Oil

Bombardier RAM Ficht Oil

The above oil brands are currently the only brands that have been tested and approved by our factory for use in TLDI systems. Brand names listed are trademarked by their respective owners
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