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13 January 2009, 20:28
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Trade membership again
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Originally Posted by Downhilldai
When do you expect to sort this out, Tim?
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Just after he sorts out his trade membership
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14 January 2009, 08:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bedajim
Just after he sorts out his trade membership 
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How does having a garage clear out require you to be a trade member?
I think this has been discussed before - Johns rules are fairly clear, and Tim sticks within them - not directly promoting his business, but with the permitted information in his signature. It seems you can keep under the radar if you are a poor contributor to the forum, but if you're someone like Tim who is regularly offering advice and help, you find yourself open to criticism.
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14 January 2009, 10:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
How does having a garage clear out require you to be a trade member?
I think this has been discussed before - Johns rules are fairly clear, and Tim sticks within them - not directly promoting his business, but with the permitted information in his signature. It seems you can keep under the radar if you are a poor contributor to the forum, but if you're someone like Tim who is regularly asking for advice and help & selling bits, you find yourself open to criticism. 
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Tim Meo - 07717 827393
Evolution RIB Charter & Boat Mate South Coast
Maybe that under each post may equal trade requirments,
but then again you normally provide a service and it does not appear to be happening from this thread
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14 January 2009, 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bedajim
Tim Meo - 07717 827393
Evolution RIB Charter & Boat Mate South Coast
Maybe that under each post may equal trade requirments,
but then again you normally provide a service and it does not appear to be happening from this thread 
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Bedajim - having a rib related business in your signature does not infringe RIBnet commercial posting rules or require you to be a trade member. Please see here:
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Originally Posted by John Kennett
Following on from the general posting guidelines, here are some pointers to what is acceptable commercial activity on RIBnet:
- RIBnet is primarily non-commercial, with a limited number of exceptions
- It is acceptable to use your company's web site address as the Home Page URL in your profile. You may also have a link to your web site in your signature.
- Paid up trade members may use the Trade announcements and special offers section to advertise their products and services.
- All users may post in the Buy and sell sections, but adverts must be for specific, individual items and not generic product adverts.
Specific examples of unacceptable commercial posts include:
- Blatant advertising outside the "Trade announcements and special offers" section
- Repetitive posting of the same information
- Unsubstantiated claims or wild marketing hype
- Creating "spoof" users to promote your product
- Generic adverts in the "RIBs for sale" forum
If you use the forums to promote your business you are required to join as a trade member. Any posts that are deemed to be unsuitable will be removed, and repeat offenders may have their account suspended.
If you have any doubt about what you're about to post, please contact me first to avoid any doubt!
John
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14 January 2009, 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart
Bedajim - having a rib related business in your signature does not infringe RIBnet commercial posting rules or require you to be a trade member. Please see here:
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Yep so I see your a top man for showing me the error of my ways "Gazie"
Reading a little deeper I can save myself £20 in future
Jim
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14 January 2009, 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
I think this has been discussed before - Johns rules are fairly clear, and Tim sticks within them - not directly promoting his business, but with the permitted information in his signature.
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The rules do say "If you use the forums to promote your business you are required to join as a trade member" though.
As it stands I reckon that Tim is a borderline case, and I might rewrite the rules to close this loophole as it does sometime feel that it's taking advantage.
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14 January 2009, 16:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kennett
The rules do say "If you use the forums to promote your business you are required to join as a trade member" though.
As it stands I reckon that Tim is a borderline case, and I might rewrite the rules to close this loophole as it does sometime feel that it's taking advantage. 
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I think it's a difficult line to tread, and one you manage fairly. In general terms people are pretty honest if they use the forum for business - most people on here are Rib owners, so are unlikely to give a charter company much work!
The reason I saw fit to stick up for Tim is that, as I've said, and has been confirmed (even if you are closing the loophole!), I think the reason he may appear to sail close to the wind is simply that he isn't a 'quiet' member of the forum. Having trawled through his recent posts, they are largely constructive and helpful, and as I've said, I think this puts him more in the firing line that some - not necessarily deservedly.
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14 January 2009, 16:33
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Personally I feel that Tim is no where near the line compared to people like Johnbiesheuvel who has made 9 posts on here and every one of them has been to advertise boats he is selling as a business.
Richard
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14 January 2009, 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
I think it's a difficult line to tread, and one you manage fairly. In general terms people are pretty honest if they use the forum for business - most people on here are Rib owners, so are unlikely to give a charter company much work!
The reason I saw fit to stick up for Tim is that, as I've said, and has been confirmed (even if you are closing the loophole!), I think the reason he may appear to sail close to the wind is simply that he isn't a 'quiet' member of the forum. Having trawled through his recent posts, they are largely constructive and helpful, and as I've said, I think this puts him more in the firing line that some - not necessarily deservedly.
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If that were really the case there would be no point in putting his details in the signature then. Personally I would have no objection to people needing a trade membership to advertise even through signature lines. Perhaps selling bulk items like l/j lights (which i bought) also gives people the impression that he was using the site to make money...
...that said I don't think Tim is the worst offender - and as I stated earlier is, just, within my interpretation of the current rules.
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14 January 2009, 17:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bedajim
"Gazie"
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