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Old 22 August 2015, 09:20   #111
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Fair enough, I did ask for suggestions! It doesn't actually tell me what the problem is though. ?
Hi John

Sorry for not replying sooner, I've been traveling/working recently and not had many opportunities to reply using a proper PC having only my phone as an option.
I hate typing long(ish) messages from my phone, As time moves on, the size of my fingers and the size of my phones seem to be inversely proportional!

I think part of the problem that I see can be summarised by sticking with the pub analogy...
So, Your in the pub (The RN Arms??) drinking and having a chat. Many of the people in the pub are locals who, although generally friendly, see a lot of "grockles" come and go on a daily basis. The touriss rarely give cause for concern but admittedly the locals do get a bit tired of having the same conversation with them over and over again.
Every so often though, one of the tourists (or locals for that matter) starts taking the piss out of the type of car one of the grockles (or regulars) is driving. This degenerates into a slagging match until one of the regulars not involved in the argument discretely text messages the local bobby.

The plod soon turns up to calm things down but is greeted by cheers, jokes and general familiar banter from the locals as he walks through the door, after all, they've known him for a long time as he too is a "local".

The copper sorts things out, and in all fairness does it in a professional and unbiased manner however throughout the event, sarcastic (but funny) comments are exchanged between copper and Mollers...oops, I mean "locals" loitering in the background. This wrongly makes all the other tourists visiting the pub believe the local copper is acting in favour of his "local" mates even though he has in fact done the right thing and actually behaved quite responsibly.

The word then spreads that PC Wilk () is somehow bent and turns a blind eye to the plight of the poor tourists who only pass by every so often.

(Of course, you have to feel for the poor tourist who gets into a scrape on the day that PC Poly is on duty!!....)

So how do you cure this?...., the only way I can see is to rotate the bobby's every so often. (hence my comments about a maximum term in power)

I think the pub itself (IMHO) has gotten a bit of a reputation as being a "local's pub" and although its well managed and the cider tastes good, many people tend to come in and sip their pints quietly in the corner all the time eavesdropping on the conversations had by the regulars.

One thing I particularly like about this pub is that the big screen TV up on the wall showing Sky sports news is actually in a separate room to the bar allowing the more "refined" visitors a chance to engage in proper adult conversation!!

Did ANY of this actually make sense??

Simon
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Did ANY of this actually make sense??

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Old 22 August 2015, 09:57   #113
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wiLlfish !!!

Thnk the "pub" needs to be re-named

"The wiLfish's head" maybe??

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Blimey this thing still going!?

Opened a-(nother) Can a worms or what?!
People like moaning/bitching (about most things)Forums/Mod's/layouts graphics ect are obviously no exception!
Really They just reflect society...and generally you GET what you deserve!
Bit like the Goverment of the day ....and we all know (or bloody should!) if you're rely on ANY Government to make you Happy...Contented..or Rich....you'll be waiting for a LONNGG Time!
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Hi John

Sorry for not replying sooner, I've been traveling/working recently and not had many opportunities to reply using a proper PC having only my phone as an option.
I hate typing long(ish) messages from my phone, As time moves on, the size of my fingers and the size of my phones seem to be inversely proportional!

I think part of the problem that I see can be summarised by sticking with the pub analogy...
So, Your in the pub (The RN Arms??) drinking and having a chat. Many of the people in the pub are locals who, although generally friendly, see a lot of "grockles" come and go on a daily basis. The touriss rarely give cause for concern but admittedly the locals do get a bit tired of having the same conversation with them over and over again.
Every so often though, one of the tourists (or locals for that matter) starts taking the piss out of the type of car one of the grockles (or regulars) is driving. This degenerates into a slagging match until one of the regulars not involved in the argument discretely text messages the local bobby.

The plod soon turns up to calm things down but is greeted by cheers, jokes and general familiar banter from the locals as he walks through the door, after all, they've known him for a long time as he too is a "local".

The copper sorts things out, and in all fairness does it in a professional and unbiased manner however throughout the event, sarcastic (but funny) comments are exchanged between copper and Mollers...oops, I mean "locals" loitering in the background. This wrongly makes all the other tourists visiting the pub believe the local copper is acting in favour of his "local" mates even though he has in fact done the right thing and actually behaved quite responsibly.

The word then spreads that PC Wilk () is somehow bent and turns a blind eye to the plight of the poor tourists who only pass by every so often.

(Of course, you have to feel for the poor tourist who gets into a scrape on the day that PC Poly is on duty!!....)

So how do you cure this?...., the only way I can see is to rotate the bobby's every so often. (hence my comments about a maximum term in power)

I think the pub itself (IMHO) has gotten a bit of a reputation as being a "local's pub" and although its well managed and the cider tastes good, many people tend to come in and sip their pints quietly in the corner all the time eavesdropping on the conversations had by the regulars.

One thing I particularly like about this pub is that the big screen TV up on the wall showing Sky sports news is actually in a separate room to the bar allowing the more "refined" visitors a chance to engage in proper adult conversation!!

Did ANY of this actually make sense??

Simon
makes sense to me Simon, but that might be due to the beer 🍻😋
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the Church was mentioned earlier, great shame those meetings fell apart, anyone interested in getting them going again? Could even be mentioned on the dark side
Ian hi nice to see you're still around.

The Church meetings were a good opportunity to meet a few people, and spawned quite a few cruises, although I can imagine how others from other areas could have seen it as bit of a clique.
We did of course also have the Xmas dinner, which was well attended for a few years.

The whole thing just sort of petered out as some of the regular people who attended moved on both from RIBs and geographically.
I carried on posting the date for a while, but after 2 months of nobody turning up to join me I gave up.

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Simon, only issue is that in your analogy nobody has called the cops for ages (and even then it was hardly a regular occurance). I had a quick skim back through the post reports and I think the last one for someone complaining about other members behaviour was at least six months ago. I wish people would point out these posts that cross the line (even if they are from the mods) rather than have them becoming legendary.
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Simon, only issue is that in your analogy nobody has called the cops for ages (and even then it was hardly a regular occurance). I had a quick skim back through the post reports and I think the last one for someone complaining about other members behaviour was at least six months ago. I wish people would point out these posts that cross the line (even if they are from the mods) rather than have them becoming legendary.

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It may very well have been that the cop was already in the bar listening into the argument...

The point I was making is that, since all the mods have been "modding" for some time now they do have a very familiar relationship with the other more habitual visitors to the site.
This in itself is by no means an issue but I can understand why some newer members might see this as a bit intimidating, especially if these members aren't fully conversant with RN 's rules and protocols.

When I was younger I stupidly got into a fight with some doormen in front of a nightclub, the police were just around the corner and arrived on scene almost immediately. They obviously knew the doormen and were joking with them as they took their statements. The police never abused their powers and technically did nothing wrong but the fact they were joking with the doormen not only fueled my anger but made me distrust the police over the whole incident and lead me to think they were taking sides with the door staff.

To be fair though I don't actually remember ever seeing a mod abuse their powers but I have seen plenty of times where mods will "warn" (or even ban) someone and at the same time joke about it to other members.... all in the same thread.
My point was that this can possibly be seen by some as an abuse of power although in reality it actually has nothing to with it.
In my profession (like in many others) we try to maintain a certain "distance" between the management that enforces the rules and say... the boys on the factory floor... Being too familiar just leads to mistrust and helps fuel the rumour mill.
It probably sounds like I'm suggesting the mods take a back chair and only appear "when needed" but this isn't my wish. I enjoy reading many of the mods comments which I find contribute enormously to the site. It would certainly be a shame (and unproductive) to mute these but I can certainly understand some of the comments (complaints) I have heard recently about RN because of this.
Difficult one to resolve but as it's already been said also, if it's just a minority that are complaining and the site is still as popular as ever then let's just move on.
Hats off to JK for starting this thread though, good to see that, even though it may only be a minority, he's still willing to listen.

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