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Old 30 April 2007, 17:17   #31
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i would personally not want to take my family on a fast rib ride without the basics like a fully functional and properly fitting life jacket and a driver wearing a kill cord.

unfortunatley for the people on that rib they may not be aware of some basic safety items that could save their lives or prevent injury. I think this forum is great in that it raises awareness of safety issues and draws your attention to things that might otherwise be missed.
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Old 30 April 2007, 17:18   #32
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Tim, what qualifies you to call people on this forum traffic wardens? I'd quite like to see proof of your employment within perhaps an HR role, or at a Job Centre, or somewhere similar that means you are suitably equipped to pass judgement and typecast people as being of a traffic warden mindset. Until then, I'm afraid, you are clearly not qualified to pass judgement. Got to have a bit of paper these days.

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Apologies to all traffic wardens.

Jimbo, perhaps HR Managers and civil servants providing a fine service in The Job Centre need a little reassurance too.
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Jimbo, perhaps HR Managers and civil servants providing a fine service in The Job Centre need a little reassurance too.
Nice try, but let me point out, in case it wasn't sufficiently clear, that I was attempting to use sarcasm to illustrate a point. I've not used their employment as an insult, only an example.

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Apologies to all traffic wardens.
Hopefully there will be some traffic wardens on here to accept your apology.
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not sure about traffic wardens, perhaps calling the cops would have been more appropriate with all the too and fro causing a disturbance
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http://www.jurassiccoast.com/downloa...st_by_boat.pdf

His advertising shows no-one in the rib with a lifejacket on....and he's advertising 'fast rib rides to Durdle Door".

Legal or not, it's a very bad image.

Well researched.

So his telephone number is 01929 400 560

Perhaps someone who so freely passes comment on his operation may care to telephone him (or her) and advise him of this thread to allow him the opportunity to respond to these posts.

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Well researched.

So his telephone number is 01929 400 560

Perhaps someone who so freely passes comment on his operation may care to telephone him (or her) and advise him of this thread to allow him the opportunity to respond to these posts.
That sounds like a good idea - hopefully if phrased nicely, it serves two purposes. One, it gives him the right to respond, and 2, it points out some safety suggestions he may or may not wish to adopt.

I'll call in the morning.
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As regards kill cords one of the most respectable people in the RIB World used to be against them in certain situations - Shaun White. His reasoning was that in extreme seas for example the dangers of the engine cutting by accident would put you at very high risk.

I believe Jono may have experience of this from his capsize?

It HAS become the norm for people to wear lifejackets in RIBs - rightly so in my opinion BUT then again there are many cases where lifejackets are not worn on commercial craft - just carried.

How many people have been on boat trips on holiday - often ones where large quantities of booze are consumed - and not worn a lifejacket???
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I have resisted commenting on this thread because (a) I know nothing about coding, since we use a different system here and (b) you guys were having so much fun slagging each other.

Now that everyone has settled down I will say that a RIB tour outfit here in Tobermory (Canada) frequently uses their RIBs to ferry passengers from their larger steel tour boats to a dock, when water levels are too low to get the big boats in. The length of the trip is about 100 feet, and the water depth would average about 2 1/2 feet when water levels are low. If I was to take a picture of them at just the "right" time, you would see a loaded RIB with not a lifejacket in sight.

When the company (here) is using their RIBs as they should be (bombing around at 40 knots through rough seas) everyone on board is wearing either an auto-inflatable PFD or a full flotation suit if the weather is cold or wet.

My point is that it might not be fair to pass judgement on this guy by looking at a couple of photos taken adjacent to a wharf. Is it possible that he was simply ferrying his passengers a very short distance at slow speed? (Some would say that even under those circumstances, life-vests should be worn, but others would not...)

Also, and I don't mean to speak for Tim, but I took his comments to mean that it might not be appropriate to criticize a commercial enterprise in public, when the "offending" enterprise is unable to defend itself. I don't know the law there, but I suspect that such comments could result in legal action over here! (But then we are mighty close to the USA, so we are increasingly learning about litigation for the smallest of reasons!)
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I had a discussion with the MCGA this morning. They are aware of the rib operatiing out of Lulworth, he has been reported quite a few times for the way he operates and they have been down and satisfied themselves with his operation, also aware he does not insist the passengers wear lifejackets.

This is what the officer told me this morning:

Under the Merchant shipping Law there is no requirement for the passengers to wear or for the skipper to enforce his passengers to wear lifejackets. Apparently on the back of the seats on the rib are stickers for the passengers to read which say if you feel you would like a lifejacket the skipper will provide you with one.

As for the kill cord again there is no mandatory ruling that he has to use it, only personal preference and being sensible. Again there is no enforcement in place or guidelines that say he has to wear a kill cord.

SO there you have it, personally I am quite surprised at that answer. However I will as always make sure any of my passengers/crew wear lifejackets, if they refuse then simple they don't get on board.

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Obviously quite proper for you to tip off the MGCA about his operation: you must be relieved to hear that they have already satisfied themselves with it.

Now we must wait and hope that the operator can give us all his reasons for operating as he does as so much comment has been passed.
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