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Old 18 January 2004, 17:27   #41
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Not every school has a trainer. I think you are mistaking this word for instructor.

Sorry Missus, my mistake. Tell Mr to put the bottle down then!
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Old 18 January 2004, 17:31   #42
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"If the vessel does not proceed to sea does this mean the NDP Code does not apply?


Strictly speaking yes, however commercial vessels operating in Categorised Waters must comply with Fire Prevention and Life Saving Appliances. Local Authorities may apply the NDP Code standards to vessels licensed under their jurisdiction using Local Byelaws"

However you still need a liferaft according to this, and that will be £500 a year.

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Old 18 January 2004, 17:33   #43
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Could you then tell me where it says that i have to code my boat to work in the solent ? and why will all the non coded boats disappear if they do not have to be coded because they are not at Sea but are in catagory c/d water?

Stuart,

Unfortunately its in Section 94 of the public health acts amendment act 1907 and this applies to the various local authorities in the Solent area.
The local authorities either then apply their own rules or just say that the boat should be fully coded. The last time I was involved with a Local Authority certified boat was last summer (June 2003) and the principal differences in equipment requirements were that a liferaft was not required under certain circumstances.
The Local Authority was Eastleigh Borough Council (Hamble is in Eastleigh!)

Many LAs are getting reluctant to be involved in this and there is an "Inland Code" from the MCA in preparation at currently at consultation stage.

So, at the moment, if you are operating in the Solent only it may be worth a call to the Lymington Harbour Commissioners to see if they are still certifying boats.

I guess that this is not quite the good news that you wanted but I hope it helps.


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Old 18 January 2004, 17:37   #44
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Hi - this is my bit-

It is far harder to become a RYA Recognised Training Centre than to code a boat, its not just a simple process off becoming a powerboat instructor. Even if you're an instructor you can't issue certs unless your a part of a RTC (which is the best part of a years work/risk assesemnts/safet ypolicy's/operating manuals/investigation).

If you are a RTC the rya check the boats (equip condition etc) at least once a year! if your boats are ok, you can then go 3 miles from cat c or d waters by day or night.

We run coded boats so we can cover more of the coast and offer students more local knowledge.

The RYA have to have this, as I understand it is impos' to code a open RIB for night time use. Thats why we have to run Advanced courses no more than 3 miles from cat c or d waters. Some centres ignore this and go further than there 3 miles without coding - but run the risk of getting found out (best not get me started on this subject).

Hope this helps?????
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Old 18 January 2004, 17:47   #45
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Hi Ducan,
Thanks for that.

Spoke to them and got .........?

Your right, they are very very reluctant to get involved and this is my point.
The MCA do not want to now because you are not going to Sea and the LA do not want the hassle. It should be the same person that issues the taxi permits that should issue the boat permits!!

I do belive the inland code will apply to the Solent and it will be very interesting to see what it says. Do we know when its out yet?

Fancy that happening in the Hamble area!!

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Jackeen: Can the MCA prosecute? Yes http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-ne...tions_2001.htm

The Coastguard is taking a great interest in coded/uncoded craft. We’ve been approached twice by the Coastguards in Poole who popped into Cobbs Quay & checked out who was operating and I know of charter craft boarded (and shut down) outside the entrance to Poole Harbour for a breach of the codes.

Jackeen: You’re not far wrong re the number of Trainers - 175, Advanced Instructors - 509, Powerboat Instructors – 4809. I think the number of Advanced Instructors will rise quite a lot this year quite a lot due to the new Intermediate course (only Advanced Instructors can teach it)

Louise: Agreed 2k for the boat kit, about £300/400 to get it surveyed, then an annual charge each year.

Jono: There are seemingly a few ways to look at getting Cat 3 coding without too much difficulty. 1) a tent like structure from the a frame to the bow properly tied down, 2) Austen on this forum has a Ribeye coded to Cat 3 but with some nighttime restrictions (10 miles from a safe haven rather than 20 – is there anything else Austen?) 2) and I believe pairing boats to operate together can make a difference. You’ll need proper advice though, track down a surveyor with specific RIB experience as some are far more helpful than others.

SCM/Stuart: My ‘safer/better’ refers to my view that if you are venturing into the area of commercial work I would rather follow the letter of the MCA law – even if it is not 100% required to do so in a particular area. This is though a personal view.

RYA schools: The RYA is a ‘Certifying Authority’ designated as such by the MCA (ie you can pay them to survey your vessel for coding, MECAL & YBDSA are others) and as such effectively codes training RIBs under the Red Code for Cat 5 & 6 operation – 3 miles from a nominated departure point. The slight anomaly being this extends to night time work for Advanced Courses

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Old 18 January 2004, 18:21   #47
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Paul, can you explain what a Powerboat Trainer can do that an Instructor can't, and are there different levels of Trainers? I understood there to be fewer Trainers than this, so maybe I'm getting this level mixed up as well.

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Cheers for the advice, we are looking in to this with pro Sport and a Red Bay type frame i have purchased.

Ian

Not to jump in on a question you asked paul but: A trainer can Train Instructors, two levels: 1 to to train level 2 & safety boat instructors & the other to to train Advanced Instructors.
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Old 18 January 2004, 18:33   #49
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Thanks Jono.
So there are Trainers and Advanced Trainers?
Who assesses the Trainers, is there one top man?
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