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Old 04 August 2010, 11:34   #11
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Why is the new system so complicated and unworkable? Has anybody who holds an old one applied for a new licence yet?

If so what Level were you in the old system and what are you now in the new system.

I am, (and several Skippers I work with)revalidating and being told lots of different things by the MCA and I am totally confused.

DAmian
I have a BML (Grade1) now Tier 2, which I have renewed without problem.

However, I asked the same question as you have, getting the following reply from the MCA Examiner (yet to speak to him for clarification). No-one else at the MCA, could give any guidance, because they don't understand it either!

My second question, was with regard to 'Workboats', since most jobs seem to be based upon 200GRT (the RYA type endorsement).
"(2) What, if any, is the maximum size of workboat (GRT) (such as involved in
dredging operations) able to be operated by a holder of this 'older' BML, in
limited coastal waters?"


MCA answers as follows -
"The main difference between a renewed 'Grade' licence to a Tier 2 and a National licence is that the latter is permitted to operate in any categorised waters within the UK (excepting those stated as requiring their own local area endorsements). The Tier 2 currently exists to allow previous BML licence holders to operate within their existing areas.

In answer to your second question, it is not the size of vessel but the class of vessel that limits BML operation. BML licences are only permitted for operation on Class IV, V, VI, IX(A) & IX(A)(T) vessels, those being vessels that operate within categorised waters and do not proceed to sea (excepting the summer Class VI 3 & 15 mile rule)."

There is no and has been no limited coastal waters area for BML holders. If a vessel proceeds to sea for limited operations it will most probably be a Class VIII or VIII(A), for this type of vessel you would be required to hold a STCW master <500gt CoC."

Hope this helps - I'm still struggling!
Particularly since the MCA site has been down, so little chance to confirm Class details.
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Old 04 August 2010, 11:35   #12
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I cannot comment first hand, but there are a couple of Scuttlebut members in a similar situation and so I have duplicated your post on there. I hope that is ok.

http://www.scuttlebut.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=56
Get account suspended on that link.
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