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Old 28 August 2015, 16:35   #1
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Red Arrows - Dartmouth Show Cancelled

For some unfathomable (to me) reason the CAA imposed new restrictions on the Red Arrows flight lines over Dartmouth so they were unable to perform their display today but they did grace the regatta with a flypast in each direction (waste of time & fuel really).
Other displays including vintage planes did perform including doing acrobatics over the river.
Maybe my logic is at at fault but I can't see any parallels between a vintage privately owned jet crashing off the flight line, and the performances from an RAF team at a very well established venue.
I can fully understand the ruling that vintage jets - or any vintage aircraft should only perform acrobatics over the sea after recent events - but restricting the Red Arrows so they can't perform at a regular site...bonkers.
Lots of disappointed people today who weren't aware the show had been cancelled .
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I was under the impression (may be wrong) that the CAA didn't have any authority over the Red Arrows and that they worked to a different set of rules (which were actually tougher).

But presumably the issue lay in the magic words "Risk Assessment"... Did those other displays involve multiple aircraft flying at high speed in close proximity to each other?
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Read this earlier today - but then saw that the Vulcan is making an appearance tomorrow
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Read this earlier today - but then saw that the Vulcan is making an appearance tomorrow
That makes sense, stop highly trained fully funded planes with full time aircrew and no budget cap.
Allow a 50 year old plane funded by donations on the edge of its airframe life!
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For some unfathomable (to me) reason the CAA imposed new restrictions on the Red Arrows flight lines over Dartmouth so they were unable to perform their display today
Can't imagine. Could it be because of all the dead people?
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That makes sense, stop highly trained fully funded planes with full time aircrew and no budget cap.
Allow a 50 year old plane funded by donations on the edge of its airframe life!
Can't imagine why! How dangerous is life as a Red Arrow? - BBC News
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If you read the statement on the Red Arrows website - they weren't stopped from displaying, but the flying height was changed and the Red Arrows felt the display wouldn't work at the height and angle involved.

They have a pre-planned choreography and changing that in 2 days would have added its own risks.

Its very easy to say these things are over reactions. I was stood alongside 30,000 others who saw the GNAT fall out the sky at Oulton Park. The emotion in that audience was something I'd rather never experience again.

It was obviously well clear of the crowd - but I'm not sure it was 100% certain that it would come down in an area with no cars in it. Planes do seem to regularly crash at air shows, and it seems to me that anyone dying who didn't "sign up" for the risks is hard to justify in the name of entertainment.
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... the performances from an RAF team at a very well established venue.... - but restricting the Red Arrows so they can't perform at a regular site...bonkers.
How does the fact it is a regular site or established venue derisk the consequences of pilot or equipment failure? It's not like the red arrows and RAF have never had any accidents in their history.
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Not sure who pulled the plug (or why)
But I think this article puts a few things into a bit more perspective.......
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...-crashed-on-it



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Father in law is ex RAF display pilot, and has lost friends in display work.

My point (now moot as the weather was the factor) that a 50yr old plane at the end of its life funded by donations is more risky than newer planes with all the backup the RAF can muster.
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