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Old 15 April 2005, 04:30   #31
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Finally,"Scary Des" just let me get this right. In your eyes a driver that kills someone else through sheer arrogance at the law is not a villain?
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Not saying that what I am saying is that drivers are easy targets which the police and judiciary are taking full advantage of Bad driving should be punished but speeding is not necessarily bad driving and to say that ‘speed kills’ is ludicrous I’m not getting at the police, who in this instance are really only the tools of the politicians. I am fed up with being misled into doing something for the wrong reasons Better driver training and road design is the answer not fining people. Lets face it policemen are allowed to drive fast because they have been trained so why isn’t the same true for all of us

And as for catching real villains if you catch one speeder you might save the lives of him and who ever he hits, lets say 7 or 8 people. If you catch a major drugs dealer the lives you could save will be 10 or 100 times that. What is the better use of your time Des
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Old 15 April 2005, 05:10   #32
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Firstly Police are only allowed to drive fast if there is a reason for it. If we get caught speeding we face the same penalties as everyone else albeit they are enforced more rigourously as we are supposed to be setting an example.
Regarding the Drugs Dealers bit - At some time in their life a Drugs User had a choice, a dead motorist didnt?
And for the record I dont agree with speed cameras I would far rather use a speed gun in accident blackspots and speak to the driver rather than take a coward's way out and just send a ticket through the post.
Also,before anyone says it I will beat them to it - Yes I am Thames Valley, yes they have introduced a points system and yes I am just as embarassed about it as are most of my colleagues!
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Old 15 April 2005, 05:34   #34
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Firstly Police are only allowed to drive fast if there is a reason for it
Sure you have to have a reason but given that reason it is considered safe. If you follow the governments argument speeding is never safe because ‘speed kills’ which is not true

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Regarding the Drugs Dealers bit - At some time in their life a Drugs User had a choice, a dead motorist didnt?
Yes they do ‘if you go in a car you might die’ ‘if you use drug you might die’ both are decisions about taking and limiting risk. But the point remains which is the most effective use of your time, easy target with low impact, hard target with high impact

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And for the record I dont agree with speed cameras.
It is remarkable how many don’t des
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Lets review. Scarey Des reckons the government are lying. MeMe is a career criminal, Mark Wildey never speeds, except when he's doin 85 on a motorway, Noddy is our own inspector morse, and as for me, well I drive an artic for a living so im public enemy number 1

Nice to see we have a broad membership at Ribnet which knows no boundery's

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Old 15 April 2005, 05:45   #36
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I would far rather use a speed gun in accident blackspots and speak to the driver rather than take a coward's way out and just send a ticket through the post.Martyn
.........a fair cop.

I've made myself out to be a bit of a rouge with regard this thread and too a degree I'd have to accept such a label.

However, I've just been open with my thoughts whilst others have to a degree taken a rather "better than thou" stance. Therefore, let us all perform a little experiment the next time we get in the car. Wheather you be a Judge, Police Commissioner or the pal of a road accident victim, I believe it is impossible to maintain the speed limit at all times. I've tried it and it just is impossible (for me). One either has a lapse in concentration, gets caught up in the flow of traffic or as is often the case feels badgered by a tailgating driver. It's life, there's no escaping it.

My father in law is an extremely high ranking CID officer in Manchester with a terrible reputaion for being a ba***rd howver, believe it or not, he is the most law abiding citizen I have ever me EVER. Further and beleive it or not he does do 30 in a 30 - 40 in a 40 and so on, however he was recently caught on camera going through road works doing 57 in a 40 zone - the man nearly cried when the ticket arrived - therefore, none of us are infallible.

Recently he advised me that one of his pals (non force) was stopped and booked for crossing a mini roundabout whilst turning right, allowing more than 1/3rd of his vehicle to mount the same. Now, we're talking about one of those tiny little white painted things here, not a large grassy knoll. What sence is there in that ?

As mentioned above, I feel it would be a lot better to enforce speeding in black spots with guns (radar P D not 12 guage). Now that is a fair cop and where required.

This afternoon I'll be heading to Abersoch which, is a 136 miles door to door trip driving through some of the most treacherous and most rigorously enfored "Safe Speed Limit" counties in the U.K. - Gwynedd - wish me luck
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as for me, well I drive an artic for a living so im public enemy number 1 Martin
........makes sense.
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..am I the only one here who gets that familiar waft from MeMe's post? Just trying to put my finger on it.......ah! That's it...Mackerel....
.......MeMe ever so well However, I'm a little disappointed that, whilst you sniffed at the bait I laid with regard to the typical motorcyclist, you resisted taking a full bite
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........makes sense.
Thanks mate, that'll be two of us bang to rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll let ya know next time im going to Brakes at Dukenfield, we can meet up and swap stories of daring crimes
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Actually I utmost respect for HGV drivers, they have a bl**dy hard job and are without doubt the best drivers on the road. There are always the exceptions but that is the same for everything.

Their job is only made harder by foreign drivers and fuel prices ( Now there's the start of another thread )

I'm no saint when it comes to anything but when people admit doing 50% over the limit, sharing out the points to friends and family and belive it is their god given right to do what ever speed they want because...

1) They have always
2) Because everyone else does
3) Because the road used to have a certain limit and its changed..
4) Its the camera's fault because its just a money making idea

Well if you get caught then look in a mirror and see who is to blame and not try and blame anyone else.

As a I said before no one is making you speed so why moan when you get caught.

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