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Old 14 April 2005, 10:36   #21
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Just try driving around Spain - Portugal - France - anywhere there aren't so called "traffic calming" measures and you will find far less road rage!!!

Stress is proven to be a major killer in this country - don't tell me driving is not stressfull these days!!!
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Old 14 April 2005, 10:45   #22
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I couldn't agree more.......

........with O.V apart from the bit about cobbled streets. There's nothing better to brighten up a rainy day than seeing some fat, leather clad, goaty beard type fall off his BMW....

On a more serious note (if that's at all possible), I have accumulated 18 points on my licence over the last few years (not all at once though!). 12 (4x3 points) of these came via camera and 6 for going just a bit too fast in a de-restricted zone (don't as how fast).

Anyway, my point is - where can I buy some decent glasses and a decent decent radar/camera detector..... No, my real point is, cameras have not in any way stopped me speeding - they never will - I just drive fast (faster) than is legal.

Now, I can hear you all saying - ooohh, what a bad man he is, a speeder, he's going to kill someone one day.

Well let me advise you that, apart from doing 126 mph a de-restricted zone in N.W at 20:15 at night on a clear road alone in the car, every other penalty point has been captured on cameras whilst pottering around town. i.e. doing 44 mph in a 30mph zone and 61 mph on a dual carridgeway in a 50mph zone (twice).

So, if you call that excess speeding, there for the grace of god go us all !!!!

In my opinion, cameras don't stop speeding, they just make you pay for it. If you want people to slow down, education is one of the keys along with speed enforcement alarms fitted in the car (like in the U.S) which bleep to remind / advise the driver he has reached a safe speed.
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Old 14 April 2005, 10:49   #23
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There's nothing better to brighten up a rainy day than seeing some fat, leather clad, goaty beard type fall off his BMW....

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Fat? Check
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Goatee beard? Check
BMW? Check..............

....that's me neatly stereotyped, then?......
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i.e. doing 44 mph in a 30mph zone
I'm glad you think that doing 50% over the speed limit is pottering

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So, if you call that excess speeding, there for the grace of god go us all !!!!
ah yes, my defence ma lord is that everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't I be allowed too?

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In my opinion, cameras don't stop speeding, they just make you pay for it. If you want people to slow down, education is one of the keys along with speed enforcement alarms fitted in the car (like in the U.S) which bleep to remind / advise the driver he has reached a safe speed.
At last some sense.

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Old 14 April 2005, 11:22   #25
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Anyway enough of this rubbish I've got some dog fighting to watch.

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Anyway enough of this rubbish I've got some dog fighting to watch.
I'll have five quid on the black and white one . . .

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Old 14 April 2005, 18:12   #27
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I bet you are one of those that think that The Police should concentrate on the real villains and leave law abiding people like you alone?
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I'm pretty much with Mark on this one.

I'm very careful about sticking to speed limits on 'normal' roads, especially 30 zones. I'm sorry Meme but 44 in a 30 zone is excessive. Speeding in these areas to me is unacceptable, like drink driving and it really annoys me.

Saying that however I think speed cameras are the most stupid things ever. I have seen sooo many near miss's around London with people slowing down for speed cameras. In half the cases they were under the speed limit anyway but people seem to panic when they see a camera.

Motorways on the other hand are a different matter. I regularly exceed the speed limit like 80% of the population. I don't believe that another 10-20 mph above the 70 limit in itself dramatically increases the risk of accidents and I would like to see stats to the contrary. Sure the outcome of a crash might be worse. The accidents have to be caused by the idiots that sit 4m from your bumper while you’re doing 90, or the idiots that sit in the middle and fast lane while the slow lanes empty...etc.

Better education, more useful tests and more police – not more cameras.
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That is a very revealing comment Nobby are you saying that the Police shouldn’t be catching real villains Des
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What Im saying is that if everyone thought like "Me Me" and one or two others on here the grave yards would be even fuller with innocent drivers who did obey the law.
I wouldnt be so crass as to say the Police are above such things but if I got caught I certainly wouldnt want others to take the wrap for me allowing me to continue to break the law.
Finally,"Scary Des" just let me get this right. In your eyes a driver that kills someone else through sheer arrogance at the law is not a villain?
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