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Old 13 April 2005, 17:33   #11
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Old 13 April 2005, 17:44   #12
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I agree that speeding should be an anti-social pass time, but I've still seen numerous people using mobile phones "the old fashioned way" one even just missed me and she clearly didn't see me!! As for eating apples!! And even for picking ones nose!! I even got shouted at the other day by a passer by, because I was resting my hand on the side of my face whilst waiting at a roundabout .

Look it's clear to me as it is for any person that there is big money in collecting roadside fines and with governments ever reducing Police budgets the police are resorting to "Dirty Tricks" in trying to make as much revenue as possible, like many a dodgy bussiness would do if they could get away with it. It's all about money not safety!

Right the constructive part.

There are many proven, passive ways to reduce speeding and some that also reduce traffic congestion and these range from cobbled streets in urban areas, to traffic lights that sense when some one is speeding and switches to red and informs the driver Via a big sign that he is responsible for holding up everybody behind him. These Idea's and others are very eco-friendly as you arrive at your destination quicker and safer and don't cost as much as some of the alternatives. Problem with this though is it doesn't make money for the authorities
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Old 13 April 2005, 18:13   #13
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In Germany there are 43 million motorists and they kill about the same number of people as we do with only 26 million and they have unlimited speed on some roads
Slight correction, Des, but they actually kill TWICE the number of people on their roads as we do! Note also that after reunification in 1990 the road death rate quadrupled in two years due entirely to young East Germans switching from 2-stroke, slug-like Trabants to high powered Western built cars. Having said that, their death rate has declined relative to ours in recent years.

Much of the Fatherland's autobahn system is unrestricted, even on the two lane sections, but then outside the Ruhr region and a couple of other notable exceptions the traffic density is far less than in the UK. Their driver training is a lot better than ours, too, and motorway driving forms part of their driving test and it should be part of ours, too. Germans are way more disciplined on the roads than Brits and their lane discipline on motorways is superb - but then it needs to be with Audi, Merc and Beemer bahnstormers closing at 250k's Mind you, when they do have a crash it tends to resemble an air disaster.

Speed doesn't kill - inappropriate use of speed does. And that of course is one of the main criticisms of speed cameras - unlike the odd reasonable traffic Plod they don't discriminate.
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Old 13 April 2005, 18:50   #14
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Anyone who says "don't speed" is either a liar or a hypocrite.
"Don't Speed"

Now do you disagree with the adverts that compare the injury difference between 30mph and 35 or is it 40mph?

Back in the late 80's drinking and driving was considered one of those things, whereas now it is seen as a serious crime. To my mind speeding should go down the same road.

Especially in a 30 zone , where typically your trip is less than ten miles, the advantage in time by doing 35 is small, whereas the increase in injury is much higher.

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"Don't Speed"

Now do you disagree with the adverts that compare the injury difference between 30mph and 35 or is it 40mph?

Back in the late 80's drinking and driving was considered one of those things, whereas now it is seen as a serious crime. To my mind speeding should go down the same road.

Especially in a 30 zone , where typically your trip is less than ten miles, the advantage in time by doing 35 is small, whereas the increase in injury is much higher.

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Does this mean that you NEVER speed??? Truthfully??? In my experience the people who claim this tend to drive everywhere at 40mph - through towns - built up areas - motorways etc etc - irrespective of conditions.

In some places through towns etc even 20mph can be too fast - in others 100mph CAN be safe - depends on so many things.

Also what about the many roads that have had the speed limits reduced so they can put up speed cameras? There are loads of dual carrigeways around here that have gone from 70mph to 50 or even 40mph - how can it be ok to do 70mph on them one day then 40 the next???
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DONíT GET ME STARTED!
This is a subject close to every road users heart one way of another!

I have used the same stretch of road daily for the last 26 years; & it used to have a national speed limit & never saw an accident even though at 70MPH I was passed sometimes as if I was standing still.
A few years a go they reduced the speed to 50MPH and popped in half a dozen cameras in each direction just to make this road safe!
HA!
There is now not a single week go by without an accident on this road, every day I see the same problem, people are concentrating on their Speedoís as the approach a camera rather than looking at what is going on in front of them. Traffic is flowing at 45MPH everyone is checking & double-checking their speed, when NOB-HEAD at the front on his mobile notices the markings in the road.
WHATíS THE FIRST THING HO DOES?
He hits the breaks because he doesnít want to collect a few more points, then he looks at his speedo.
Meanwhile behind him everyone is still concentrating more on their speedo rather than whatís going on around them. Next thing they know is they are about to hit the back of the car in front & by time you get a dozen cars back they have come to a complete standstill or worse still someone has run into the back of another.
WITHOUT A DOUBT these safety cameras (as they like to be known as now) have SIGNIFICANTLY increased the number of accidents on this road, OK the drivers are following each other too close but cameras canít spot this bad driving practice, or the chav in his XR-GO-FASTER weaving in & out of the traffic them slamming on his breaks just before the speed cameras.
What is needed is more police on the road to warn people of bad driving practices & to get the dangerous drivers off the road.

RANT OVER
And before you ask, no I havenít been caught by these cameras YET
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Old 14 April 2005, 03:22   #17
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Slight correction, Des, but they actually kill TWICE the number of people on their roads ..............
If that is the case I stand corrected but the stats I had showed a 3.5 to 5k average deaths over 5 years in Germany compared to 3.5K here. It does depend on what you include in the stats and to a degree they can show almost anything Still although you have seen fit to correct me in essence you agree with what I am saying, speed doesnít kill Des
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Now do you disagree with the adverts that compare the injury difference between 30mph and 35 or is it 40mph?
Yes, figures were extrapolated and not proven. However what is proven is that 4X4s cause greater pedestrian injuries than conventional cars so why isnít the government fining them because it would hit the car producers who have more clout than Joe public Incidentally I am not saying 4X4 should be banned, I am just saying the ad is misleading

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Back in the late 80's drinking and driving was considered one of those things, whereas now it is seen as a serious crime. To my mind speeding should go down the same road.
And that is the point government are trying to demonise speed the same way they did drink driving, they were right with drink driving they are wrong with speed Des
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To a certain extent I'm taking the moral high ground with this, but to me, this subject is about the 1 in a million chance you might kill someone so the moral high ground is a good place to be.

I have once had points for speeding, and it was 5 in one go. If I was given points for every time I exceeded the speed limit then I wouldn't have a licence.

Most of my driving is on motorways and assuming that the traffic is light then like most other people I'm doing 80-85.

Around town I stick to the limits.

Also, and this will really make you laugh, I have a Road Angel III, not because I want to speed up to the camera's but if I lose my licence I lose my job. The RA III also has black spot and schools warnings which I find the most useful aspect of the unit given I drive all over the UK.

But all the people who moan about getting caught about speed cameraís only have themselves to blame. They know what the speed limit is and they choose to exceed it. No one forced them to go over the limit.

I was up in Park Royal on Tuesday and on a small stretch of the A406 there were about 10 cameras in what seemed about two miles. Personally I thought this was a bit over the top but as I wasnít speeding it didnít bother me.

Jackwabbit makes a good point that people speed up to the cameras and then slow down potentially causing an accident. You need to change the mentality of these people after all the camera doesnít move and has a big yellow disc on it. A better solution would be the cameras that average the speed between two distances rather than at one point.

Scary Des ďthey are wrong with speedĒ

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A better solution would be the cameras that average the speed between two distances rather than at one point.
Now you are havin a laugh!! The SPECS camera's are the worest of the bunch. I live in Nottinghamshire and we seem to have the bloody sole franchise for the damn things Try following Mr. Average at 40mph on our ring road thats equipped with specs. He spends more time looking at his speedo than he does looking where he's going Now you tell me how they would be better??????

In my opinion its down to education. Why have we got two types of driving standards??? The L plate test and the advanced test. Why not teach everyone to the advanced standard??? Having done both I know which I would rather have. Educating people and making them more aware of there speed and surroundings has got to be better. But no the government just like to hold the cash bag out for us to fill.

Education is the key, not cobbled streets (cos if ya a biker they can be lethal in the wet) speed humps, cameras etc. Just plain old education. Perhaps the money the government takes in fines should be put to this????? Like thats gonna happen

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