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Old 09 March 2007, 05:12   #11
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I'd rather be branded a non-believer and be right.
Me too

There is all this waffle about global warming and possibly sea level change of 30 or 50cm in the next 100 years or whatever. When I did my geology degree we visited "beaches" that were 100s of feet above sea level and sediments that were laid down 100s of feet below sea level, all on dry land. The UK has been both an icy waste and a tropical paradise (well if you exclude the big stompy things trying to eat you in "paradise").

I have my house on top of a hill. I don't care if the sea rises by a foot, in fact it will make the launching site for my boat better. And as we are just coming out of the wettest coldest most miserable summer I can remember, I don't think a bit of global warming would be a bad thing because I haven't seen any round here lately.
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Old 09 March 2007, 06:28   #12
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I saw it and one like it a few months ago on Discovery .

I think I am leaning more towards the earth following the activity of the sun having the greatest effect on our weather and also the point made about the ocean currents going through phases of heating up and cooling down and the time period involved for this to take effect.I also remember back in the 70's about the warning of global cooling and a new ice age coming apperently we are now coming out of that and heading for a period of warming up . The graphs they used did point more in the programmes favour and as they said climate predicition models are only that and if you change one element then every thing else will change.

Still a good idea to recycle and reduce pollution but have we all been conned ???
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Old 09 March 2007, 07:01   #13
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Still a good idea to recycle and reduce pollution but have we all been conned ???
I see recycling and reducing pollution as seperate to the CO2 causes global warming debate. No one wants to live in a polluted environment and we can't keep on using landfill, so we should recycle etc but that is just good stewardship and caring for the countryside etc.

I learnt way back in GCSE Geography that the earth's temperatures are transitional and that it's always been that way (as Codprawn suggests, the UK was once tropical and the remains of tigers have been found here etc). As I went on to do A-level Geography and finally a degree in the subject, I found that the science got more and more twisted to confirm to the political push against CO2.

It was great to see the co-founder of Greenpeace on the program agreeing that global warming argument had been hijacked by the 'anti' brigade to use against capitalism.
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I see recycling and reducing pollution as seperate to the CO2 causes global warming debate. No one wants to live in a polluted environment and we can't keep on using landfill, so we should recycle etc but that is just good stewardship and caring for the countryside etc.

This is another can of worms - literally!!!

Why can't we keep using landfill? In Swansea the main landfill site used to be an old power station. It has been in use for over 20 years - it isn't that big a site - say about the same size as 2 Tesco stores and their car parks. They can always find more land to build hideous housing estates!!!

In it's bid to "care" about the environment Swansea council allowed an incinerator and waste compacting plant to be built. The smoke from the plant is "within EU limits" - maybe but it still gives me something like an asthma attack.

Even more ludicrous is that there are now EU laws regarding the volume of material that can go to landfill - so they send everything from black bags to a composting plant first. The material is allowed to rot for 6 months to reduce it's volume before going to landfill - and there's me thinking the stuff would rot in the ground anyway and reduce this totally uneccessary step - bonkers!!!
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The basic problem is that the whole system is far too complex to be modelled accurately.

There also should be a separation between 'killing the planet' and 'killing mankind'. Two different issues.

Personally, I think "we just don't know" at the moment. Keep the planet clean and tidy, do your thing and let Gaia sort it all out when mankind has self-destructed!
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Old 09 March 2007, 08:03   #16
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This is another can of worms - literally!!!

Why can't we keep using landfill?

In it's bid to "care" about the environment Swansea council allowed an incinerator and waste compacting plant to be built. The smoke from the plant is "within EU limits" - maybe but it still gives me something like an asthma attack.
Leaching of chemicals from landfill contaminating the soil is one reason. Incineration is actually very clean these days, as there are complex filters in the chimneys, and it's a great way to generate electricity. The green lobby still hate the technology though.
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When the Met Office can accurately tell me what the weather is going to be like tomorrow, I may start taking climate modelling more seriously. Maybe....
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Leaching of chemicals from landfill contaminating the soil is one reason. Incineration is actually very clean these days, as there are complex filters in the chimneys, and it's a great way to generate electricity. The green lobby still hate the technology though.
It may be considered "clean" still makes me sneeze and gives me chest problems!!! I know about the soil contamination problems but a lot depends on site location etc.
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Poor Al Gore,

Just when he thought he had us in the palm of his hands.
Can you imagine the posibility of Pres Bush being right by default... just how deep is his insight

Thats Kyoto out the effin window, Burn it or bury it, thats my new slogan.
Whats next.... they tried to scare the uno out of us with Bird flu, then came Wayne Rooney`s ankle, followed quickly by a red card for Rooney and uk and ENgland going outof world cup (remember that!!!) followed by ????

I think, San Fran is next....... 6/4 the field I hear....

Dont know when, what do ye think, hope the response is better than New Orleans...

I give up, going out to buy 8 ltr ferrari with a tow bar...
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Leaching of chemicals from landfill contaminating the soil is one reason. Incineration is actually very clean these days, as there are complex filters in the chimneys, and it's a great way to generate electricity. The green lobby still hate the technology though.
Any idea what happens to the filters when they are all clogged up.

I've seen these filters taken out of the chimneys or whatever you call them, and just hosed down with a high pressure hose before being allowed to dry and then being used again.
That don't seem very sensible to me. But there again I'm no chemist so maybe it is safe.
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