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Old 29 May 2011, 16:29   #1
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Re-fueling portable Tanks

Hi All,

I need to write a procedure for refuelling portable tanks, has anybody got one that i can see?

I googled and i get too much information...

Looking for RYA approved method!

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Old 29 May 2011, 17:05   #2
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what are you looking for just to fill the tanks or a full procedure from removing the tanks to land/fill and reinstalling ?
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now - i think i need to document the refuelling... any guides that peoplr have i can cobble one together...fill in gaps...I am sure a RYA Centre Inspector might give me idea of what i need...this is for my sailing club..

We have two RIBs with 20 litre tanks, and we need to document storage and refuelling of the the tanks...

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Old 29 May 2011, 17:24   #4
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Storage onboard/undercover/indoors/outdoors?

Refuelling from jerrycans or petrol station?

There would be quite a difference in procedures between the various options-for example if storing indoors,the storage area needs ground level venting.
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Stored in Boats on mooring - with being topped up with plastic 5 litre cans or 20l Jerry can if safer.

I have easy fill spouts for the plastic cans, I have jerry can spout and fillers.

We usally removed tank, topped up and replaced back on boat.

I think we need to document how we get the fuel to boat from station, and then fill up the tanks safely.

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Old 29 May 2011, 17:33   #6
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Does this help?

DECANTING PETROL From Jerry cans into boats tanks ASHORE

Before commencing

1. Observe ‘No Smoking’ ‘No Naked Flames’ ‘No Mobile Phones’
‘No Running or Starting of Engines’ instructions
(Make sure you have a Fire Extinguisher present)

2. Place fuel tank to be filled into the Decanting Bund in front of petrol store

3. Use the detachable nozzles and/or funnels provided

On completion

1. Close Jerry can lid and return to store (Empties on the *****please)
2. Leave Decanting Bund clean and dry (Use sand and buckets provided)
3. Replace fire extinguisher to correct location
4. Lock the fuel store

AFLOAT
Metal Jerry Cans May Be Used To Re-Fuel Boats Afloat A TROLLEY may be provided if required.

Please observe the relevant ‘NO’ safety procedures above

IMPORTANT ALL METAL JERRY CANS MUST BE RETURNED TO THE PETROL STORE

Only Plastic cans to be taken afloat - please stow securely using the attached line

REMEMBER!!!

No unauthorized containers-Flammable materials-Gas cylinders-Engines or Ignition sources allowed in the petrol store!!!

PURCHASING AND TRANSPORTING PETROL

SAFETY PROCEDURE

1. Only use the metal cans provided.

2. Take the fire extinguisher with you.

3. Carry the copy of the HSE Regs.*

Members purchasing petrol on behalf of the club must follow above procedures.


General:
1. The club can store a limited quantity of petrol in metal or plastic cans, 6 metres from a building.

2. A private individual can transport 333 Litres (74 Gallons approx.) of petrol in metal cans up to 23 litres (5 Gallons Approx.) each.

3. There is no limit imposed by the Regulations on the number of METAL cans that may be filled for purchase, but there is a 5 Litre (1 Gallon Approx) limit on plastic cans.

*Note. Some forecourts may impose local limits different to these recommendations.

Transporting petrol in a single can

It is envisaged that a volunteer member or an employed driver, may from time to time take away a single (10 or 23 litre) METAL jerry can or a 5 litre Plastic (Carbon impregnated) can, with a view to filling it and returning it to the club at a later time in the week. This will be considered GOOD PRACTICE in order to keep the cans topped up during the busy racing and training months.

This falls within the non-bulk purchasing category, such as an individual collecting petrol for a mower, or a boat owner buying a small quantity for an outboard engine.

In these circumstances, it will NOT be necessary to take the 2Kg fire extinguisher and the copy of the HSE regulations.

Always take the extinguisher and the copy of the regs. when filling several cans in one trip This ensures the safety of the member. Plus avoiding the possible inconvenience of a new or pedantic forecourt attendant being on duty who may not understand the scope of the regulations.

Highlighted extract of underlying legislation and current practices
(Full version can be found at the HSE web site) HSE: Information about health and safety at work

A copy of this is attached to the fire extinguisher in the form of a large PLASTIC TAG. The extinguisher is kept in the petrol store.
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Yes, this looks good - whats a "Decanting Bund"?

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it can be a wooden box filled with sand and lined with plastic to catch any spills or even a spill kit mat you sit the cans on to catch any spills, or even a plastic tray.
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it can be a wooden box filled with sand and lined with plastic to catch any spills or even a spill kit mat you sit the cans on to catch any spills, or even a plastic tray.
Reminds me how little HSE we have here - our decanting bund is "Petrol evaporates, doesn't it?"
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Old 29 May 2011, 17:47   #10
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ok , fish box with sand...away from public and buildings, ok ?

What size of fire extinguisher do need, or better with fire blanket?

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i would go with a 2kg abc powder or a foam filled.
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Scott - knowing your set up - I would think the greatest risk is actually if someone tried to carry a full jerry can down the ladder at the harbour - and you might want to add some comment to cover such stupidity!
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its the carrying the full tanks single handled down the ladder, no refueling on boats....i guess roping or refueling at low water....dont you love H & S....

  • Don't try use syphon by sucking the petrol tube to start it...mouth full of petrol is not good for health ....
  • When going down ladders please ensure two hands are used, and dont carry petrol tanks or any other by hand.. Lower the Cans by Rope down to boat.
Wanted a policy to customised to our needs...

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i would go with a 2kg abc powder or a foam filled.
thanks, if I decide to store fuel inside do I need a petrol cabinet at £200 ! arghhh...
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it all comes down to your fire risk assessment have a chat with your local fire officer he/she will be able to offer you some advice if i was closer would have happly come over and sorted it out along with the policy.

The Stages Of A Fire Risk Assessment:
Step One: Identify Fire Hazards
Step Two: People At Risk
Step Three:Evaluate Risks
Step Four: Record Your Findings

i will send you some info to have a read through.
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thanks - the main club house has a full fire alarm installed including smokes in loft, break glass and monitored to control centre.

We have club lock up/store the other side of harbour that I need to assess now.

Thanks for all your help, I see light at end of tunnel...

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Step back from the problem.

If you are proposing to lug umpteen 5L cans or a jerry can out to he boats to refuel, why not just buy a couple more 20L fuel tanks, and carry them out & swap them over? If you put a connector on the tank rather than a fixed hose, you also remove a potential trip / damage hazard to the fuel tightness of the portable tank.

That way you remove a lot of risk with the "offshore" refuelling, and only need to worry about the storage & getting the fuel out the pumps & into the tanks side of the risk assessement. It also means you are alot less likely to contaminate the fuel, and will give you a lot more operational flexibility.

Risk assessement stuff above still applies!
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Step back from the problem.

If you are proposing to lug umpteen 5L cans or a jerry can out to he boats to refuel, why not just buy a couple more 20L fuel tanks, and carry them out & swap them over? If you put a connector on the tank rather than a fixed hose, you also remove a potential trip / damage hazard to the fuel tightness of the portable tank.

That way you remove a lot of risk with the "offshore" refuelling, and only need to worry about the storage & getting the fuel out the pumps & into the tanks side of the risk assessement. It also means you are alot less likely to contaminate the fuel, and will give you a lot more operational flexibility.

Risk assessement stuff above still applies!
yes - very good ideal...just need to sort secure storage in or outside store, with 3nMile range limitation for training purposes - a 20 litre with a 5 litre reserve is all be boat needs, a swap out a lunch break if needed...
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Update: We were inspected today and Pass, thanks for advice, we opted for fueling bund and a 60 litre 30min rated petrol store.

Now waiting for paper work from RYA.

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Well done Scott glad you got it sorted.
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