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Old 18 January 2005, 13:04   #1
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Suzuki vs. Evinrude

I have to make a decision on what engine to put on my new ProSport 7.5m, I'm looking at either a suzuki 250 4stroke or the new evinrude 250 E-tec. Has anyone got any views on this, thanks
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Johnson/Evenrude

Lighter and more fuel efficient

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The fuel consumption figures certainly favour the E-tec's
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I can only give you the benifit of my experience. I have had only 2 strokes mainly because of my racing days of Enduro/motorcross and the power they give out .I have had two new ficht engines on different boats in the last two years.the first did have some teathing problems but evenrude delt with these using their top engineer (Rod Bowers)He drove to my dealers to sort out the problem parts were replace regardless of cost.. Evenrude waranty are very good.I am very pleased with the 150 ficht .I would definately go for the E -Tech.You must however consider the rigging out as you will i think have a flow and return oil pipe as well as independant oiltank.Its a difficult choice as the suzuki is also a very nice piece of engineering.The crunch cums when you hear the roar of the 6 cylinders(of two stroke) Sir Phil Davies will comfirm fantastic
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If our fichts are anything to go by, then Etec can only be better, we currently between 2 fichts have 1016 hrs on them combined, great motors, we are getting a combined 1.25nm per l out of 2 x 75hp. Amazing low end grunt, do you really want the extra weight and service intervals of a fourstroke, you wont beat the Etec fuel figures, Verrados look amazing, until you look at the weights, and the complexity of them under the hoods,

spoil yourself go Etec
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Just back from Mauritius the Hotel had a 250 suzuki on there ski come fish boat with nearly 1000 hours trouble free and it realy did take some stick the drivers had no respect at all for boat or engine.
i have never had an evenrude so i cant comment. i have had a 225 Yamaha four stroke and that was great with fantasic fuel figures.bit of a delema i know as i have a new rib on order and am in the same position as what to order. I keep looking at the Honda 225 its the five year warrenty. love to to know what you finaly deside on
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.I would definately go for the E -Tech.You must however consider the rigging out as you will i think have a flow and return oil pipe as well as independant oiltank.

No oil return (as was on the Ficht/DI) on the ETEC but large oil tank fitted independant.

We are consigning 20 plus of the 200hps ETECS and the ones fitted so far are superb. As mentioned the one thing with Evinrude is that Rod & co give a good back up.

In fairness Suzi also a good well engineered engine. We are trialing a pair of their 250ies and hope to report back soon.

Yam also worth a mention, ask Tony at Seafari Oban who swears by them.

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John,

I know horses for courses what kinda fuel figures are ya getting per kmile.

have placed an order for one

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Old 19 January 2005, 20:15   #12
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John,

I know horses for courses what kinda fuel figures are ya getting per kmile.

have placed an order for one

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Paul the figures that we quote normally raise an eyebrow and clients querry whether we mean consumption per engine rather than the boat in total. However these figures are based on many years experience with DI and now the ETECs.

When we do get a customer who is still not convinced then we show them our fuel duty claims ...... the best way to assure as if we were using more fuel we would certainly claim the duty !!

Anyhow. ... the figures

on a 10m RHIB with twin 200s (one counter rot), vsl weight with equipment 2200kgs, 12 pax plus 2 crew takes it to approx 3500kgs.

Average sailing is 20% at 75% throttle, 40% mid range and balance low range & tickover. Max speed capable speed 54 knots, average speed over the hour 25 knots thus 25 nm in one hour.

Total consumption = 5 gallons per hour ie. 2.5 galls per engine bearing in mind that that is transporting a total laod of 3500kgs.

Now if we fit 150ies to the same boat cons. is same.

On longer offshore runs cuising at say 35knots consumption increases in total by about 1/2 gall.

We put the light consumption relative to load down to the efficiency of the hull and engines but critically we weigh all components before fitting and strive to achieve correct balance of the vsl. In particular we prefer a static hull to be slightly heavier on the bow (achieved by moving underdeck tanks forward) so that the bow does not rise to quickly/high and you need to increase power and trim to get the bow down ie. let gravity bring the bow down.

Thus I guess the moral is that having the most efficent engine around does not mean it will be efficient unless it is operated efficiently.

We have just fitted two vessels with 250ies and are expecting same figures but will report following tests.

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Old 19 January 2005, 20:55   #13
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Many thanks for the detailed reply John.

So 2.5 gals = 13 ltrs apx for 25 nm = 2 nm a ltr apx for light cruising

Whow thats stunning

Interesting your insight into weight towards the bow when static . I wonder how many are set up that way ??? not many I would speculate 1!!!!

Thanks again

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[QUOTE=The Jackeens] Many thanks for the detailed reply John.

So 2.5 gals = 13 ltrs apx for 25 nm = 2 nm a ltr apx for light cruising

Whow thats stunning


this is really low! how much rev's are you turning at 25 nm and 35 nm???
I hope I値l obtain more or less the same results once I値l have my etec. In order to obtain a better balance mine will have a ballast tank in the bow.
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So 2.5 gals = 13 ltrs apx for 25 nm = 2 nm a ltr apx for light cruising

Whow thats stunning

Thanks again

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It might be even more stunning actually - I thought it was 4.5 litres to the gallon which means - 2.5 X 4.5 = 11.25 litres for 25nm = 2.22 nm per litre! Apologies if I have the conversion wrong Paul!
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So 2.5 gals = 13 ltrs apx for 25 nm = 2 nm a ltr apx for light cruising
Cookee you are correct;

2.5 gallon [UK] = 11.37 litrs -> 2.2nm/l

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Yep Lads you are correct,

i was just rounding up, for simplicity. General rule of tumb.

Too much hassle to get a calculator out

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Many thanks for the detailed reply John.

So 2.5 gals = 13 ltrs apx for 25 nm = 2 nm a ltr apx for light cruising

Whow thats stunning


this is really low! how much rev's are you turning at 25 nm and 35 nm???
I hope I値l obtain more or less the same results once I値l have my etec. In order to obtain a better balance mine will have a ballast tank in the bow.
Paul,

For 35 knots about 4500rpm and 25 then 3800rpm. That is based on a full load of 12 pax plus 2 crew plus 400kg fuel on a 10m.

A couple of points to be fair.

1. I comented in my last e-mail about balancing the boat. We find this critical but it is far easier to balance a 10m with bodies on board than say a 6m. Thus we take our hat of to those that achieve balance on say a 5m.

2.We operate mainly at medium revs, rely on twins that are set at critical cls for our set up, prop well and use counter rots.

Thus again I say the ETECs and DIs, Suzis and the Yams have superb consumption but the set up and operation of the boat is equal in the effiency equation.

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