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Old 11 July 2012, 08:40   #31
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Yes they do, they even took me out once and it will remain once

It was my scariest experience at sea ever: Six people, two lifejackets and one mobile phone, big lumps, guy bailing with a bucket...

Having said that, they were excellent boatmen and would have been doing that for years - they were very unconcerned, all in a days work for them. However, had the boat capsized it was all over - no floatation, no comms, no rescue service.

I have re-read your OP and I think you should get someone knowledgeable to take you out for a day to run through the kit and it's uses with you. Buying the stuff on a recommendation is a waste of time if you don't even know that/why you need it.
I went out 6 hours trolling , my 3 year old in tow, the heavans opened and I mean opened, for about ten mins, long 10 mins, his advice to my son was, "be a mun" "be a mun" lol no coats nothing. I'd do it again. LOL

My sister is going to take me out. On her rib training , not fishing with the Rastafari.
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Old 11 July 2012, 08:42   #32
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I'm not paying for someone to go and tell me to read a pamphlett they have just given me. I dont have the money.
Not sure what makes you think that is what happens on training courses. I don't remember being asked to read any pamphlets on my RYA2 course ~80% of it was spent on the water. [There was some nonsense like this on the VHF course - but what do you expect when it is mandatory!] Part of the course involves a discussion (not a lecture) on what safety kit you need. This seems the ideal opportunity to ask about/challenge any kit you think is unnecessary.

Here are some questions to think about:

=> If your engine breaks down how will you get back to shore?
=> If you are drifting in the wind and can't get back how will you stop yourself (e.g. if being blown towards rocks or out to sea?)
=> If you had a major emergency how would you summons help?
=> If you fall in (or someone else on your boat does) can you get/you them back on board?
=> If you come across another boat which has broken down - could you safely rig a tow to help it?
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Old 11 July 2012, 08:43   #33
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I've got to build some websites, boat obsession taking over too much. Got to earn some dough to pay for it. I'll do some website design work for someone if they sort me out some equipment. I do work for Honda , Diageo , Timeout , BBC right proffesional like ! Or a days training on the rib maybe???
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Old 11 July 2012, 08:48   #34
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Not sure what makes you think that is what happens on training courses. I don't remember being asked to read any pamphlets on my RYA2 course ~80% of it was spent on the water.
Sorry was being a devils advocate , now I know a bit more you see. Thanks.

So you get the full training on a boat, sounds like something for the future.
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Old 11 July 2012, 08:55   #35
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Judging by the comments so far Tunbridge Wells Swimming Pool. No seriously, I dont really know that yet, my sister is going to take me out in hers, she's been at it a few years and is properly safety concious. She is actually going to give me some training. Where do you recommend I go, I was thinking near hasting area , well I'm in Tunbridge Wells area so Rye, Eastbourne , south coast, probably the river meadway first of all in Tonbridge.

Where for a novice?
Seriously, as others and myself have said - do the PB2 and ignore the naysayers - you'll learn so much and getting a mate/relation to show you how to 'drive' a boat is not the same thing. I posted the difficulties of launching in the Hastings area earlier but again if you do the PB2 at Eastbourne (run by the EB lifeboat coxswain) you will learn a lot about the area too.

As Willk says:

1. Man fancies boat.

2. Man buys boat.

3. Man takes boat to sea.

4. Help....sh*t...

Instead insert:

1a. Man does training.

...and you can mostly delete 4 or at least be reasonably equipped to deal with it. Get a VHF and do that course too!
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So are you saying ALL RYA level 2 PB trainers are fit to train and some are not a total waste of breath on this planet because if you are I beg to differ from practical experience, there are some real nobbers out there that get a training certificate and suddenly know everything

When I did my Yacht Master training about 8yrs ago I was using electronic plotters on my boat, on the course there was absolutely no training relating to them although they were mentioned, I have no problem using old fashioned navigation but for the boating I do I will never ever use it again, hopefully, and before you say anything I do keep up to date paper charts on my vessel, another scam to extort money from boaters, thank goodness for the Navionics Apple App
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Seriously, as others and myself have said - do the PB2 and ignore the naysayers - you'll learn so much and getting a mate/relation to show you how to 'drive' a boat is not the same thing. I posted the difficulties of launching in the Hastings area earlier but again if you do the PB2 at Eastbourne (run by the EB lifeboat coxswain) you will learn a lot about the area too.

As Willk says:

1. Man fancies boat.

2. Man buys boat.

3. Man takes boat to sea.

4. Help....sh*t...

Instead insert:

1a. Man does training.

...and you can mostly delete 4 or at least be reasonably equipped to deal with it. Get a VHF and do that course too!
Yeh , I like the look of that course. Could just write it down and get my sister to show me on her rib for free though. She has done it. I know the horses mouth is better but 250 better. What will she leave out that he wont, I supose its worth the 250 just for the local area knowledge when it comes down to why your doing it in the first place. Depends on what information they give you and whether that information is available in the same form for free elsewhere. Thats how you calculate the value of the course, it as simple as that really. If you cant get it as good for free elsewhere and its safety related, bite the bullett and cough up the money. Thats what I'm learning here.
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If you cant get it as good for free elsewhere and its safety related, bite the bullett and cough up the money. Thats what I'm learning here.
It looks like you are getting there

You could have the most fancy-pants gear but unless you know how to use it, it is all decorative. The RYA Poerboat course is a great way to spend a couple of days on the water, you will learn stuff you never knew you didn't know! Your sister will have learned lots, but what if one of the bits she missed out on is the bit you really need? We are all different and the course is designed to cover it, find a well regarded instructor who knows the SE Coast; it will be great value for money.
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Could just write it down and get my sister to show me on her rib for free though. She has done it. I know the horses mouth is better but 250 better. What will she leave out that he wont,
My sister has a full driving license.

I'm not sure I'd want her to teach me to drive...
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I guess everyone out there who has not done the PB level 2 course is either shouting Mayday or a calamity waiting to happen I wonder how many boating incidents are RYA course certified or not? The trouble with giving someone a stupid piece of paper is that they actually think they know things, I have been at sea for years and never stop learning every time I go out, I have the paper but to me it is worthless without the experience, and I only got the paper because regulations demanded I had it, if not I would not have bothered

If it was a case of learning myself and getting a friend to teach me AND buying a plotter worth 250 then getting on going help from friends, or doing the course and paying 250 then being left to it, I know what I would do, no good looking at your PB2 certificate when you hit a rock or are lost at sea and wishing you had a plotter or charts
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