What boat to buy? - Page 2

ShinyShoe · 29 July 2014, 22:02

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

That's quite expensive.
I'd pay3.5-4k for the boat + 5-6k for the engine + whatever the trailer is.
If I was to go for SR, I'd go for 4.7m, but it's so hard to find them SH.

They come up and for less than £10k+trailer...
Patience is important is the SH market. And don't expect 4.7's on fleabay - good ones the owners know what they have and will list where people who know what they are buying will see them like on here. They go quick.

Beware 4.7m in a 5m garage will almost certainly need some trailer mods to make the draw bar adjustable.

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

I've never thought of aluminium hulls. What are the pros and cons of aluminium vs fiberglass?

Aluminium lighter but more expensive.
Aluminium harder to damage but harder to repair
Aluminium + Metals + electricity ?

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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

25miles offshore with 3 adults and gear, I'd want to be in something bigger than what fits in your garage.

:-(

SR4/Ribcraft 4.8

People have been round the UK in 4m Ribs. But comfort and fits in your garage don't go together.
You could get a porn star config SR4 and have seats for 4. But not sure I'd want to be 20miles off shore in a pornstar SR! (I don't do backwards on trains!!)

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Originally Posted by henryfreston

for 4k you could buy a searider hull and completely refit it out with new tubes, console etc.

There is this Avon 4.65m RIB with Mariner 40hp | eBay

I think it is a searider 4.7? That engine has got to be worth at least what he has it advertised at so may even be a free boat?!

That doesn't look right to me. The tubes look wrong. It also looks like a money pit. This guy wants to buy it and put in in the ogin not get the polishing clothsout...

Re engine... really hope so as the tubes look well past it and the trailer looks like its built from mechano...

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

What about SR4.7? And you're right, 25miles it's a bit too much, but I still need to get 15-17nm to get to the fishing marks.

17nm from the Solent? Is that mid-channel? Why dya want a rib?

naexparvu · 30 July 2014, 05:15

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

They come up and for less than £10k+trailer...
Patience is important is the SH market. And don't expect 4.7's on fleabay - good ones the owners know what they have and will list where people who know what they are buying will see them like on here. They go quick.

Beware 4.7m in a 5m garage will almost certainly need some trailer mods to make the draw bar adjustable.

Aluminium lighter but more expensive.
Aluminium harder to damage but harder to repair
Aluminium + Metals + electricity ?

People have been round the UK in 4m Ribs. But comfort and fits in your garage don't go together.
You could get a porn star config SR4 and have seats for 4. But not sure I'd want to be 20miles off shore in a pornstar SR! (I don't do backwards on trains!!)

That doesn't look right to me. The tubes look wrong. It also looks like a money pit. This guy wants to buy it and put in in the ogin not get the polishing clothsout...

Re engine... really hope so as the tubes look well past it and the trailer looks like its built from mechano...

17nm from the Solent? Is that mid-channel? Why dya want a rib?

Because it can handle better seas and it's more economical for the same size compared to a solid hull. That's as far as I'm aware. I might be wrong, though.

keg · 31 July 2014, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Seaflyer02

SR4 +50hp 2 stroke =

I had one with a Evinrude 50, fantastic combination and we had hours and hours of fun with ours.

Me too, SR4 with a Suzuki DT55, miles of smiles

C-NUMB · 31 July 2014, 16:08

If you have the possibility to keep the trailer outside, the rib might be dropped to a cradle inside the garage. Some additional hassle each time but that way guess a SR 4.7 would fit.

Peter_C · 31 July 2014, 18:06

Here in the USA we can spec out trailers with a folding tongue. You pull a pin and the tongue with the hydraulic brake line and wiring folds to the side. There is another style with a quick disconnect for the brake line, and it slides out and you set it off to the side, but that is not very common. They both allow the trailer to be the same length as the boat though.

Sometimes you really gotta want a folding tongue :P

naexparvu · 31 July 2014, 20:56

This is what I need and in this case I can go for a close to 5m RIB. Thanks to all of you who replied.

ShinyShoe · 31 July 2014, 21:11

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

This is what I need and in this case I can go for a close to 5m RIB. Thanks to all of you who replied.

Is it available in the UK?

UK trailer regs changes last year or so to require type approval for new kit so may make find a sneaky import tricky...

Landlockedpirate · 31 July 2014, 21:27

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Is it available in the UK?

UK trailer regs changes last year or so to require type approval for new kit so may make find a sneaky import tricky...

Only ever seen these on imported USA trailers that were not legal in the UK even before the regs changed.

They are a good idea, but would they work with overrun brakes ?

NSS · 31 July 2014, 21:32

I looked into these too, and was told by local Indespension branch that they're illegal to use in the UK.

ShinyShoe · 31 July 2014, 21:45

May not need a braked trailer for a 4.7? Hull 250kg, Engine 120kg, Trailer 150kg, Gear 200kg...

beamishken · 31 July 2014, 22:00

Depending which trailer you buy quite often the main draw bar is bolted in & can be unbolted so you could do the same thing just need to look for a trailer manufactured that way
Ok it's more hassle than the us types but still an option

Peter_C · 31 July 2014, 23:01

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Originally Posted by beamishken

Depending which trailer you buy quite often the main draw bar is bolted in & can be unbolted so you could do the same thing just need to look for a trailer manufactured that way
Ok it's more hassle than the us types but still an option

That is the other option I mentioned but here in the USA they do it with a pin like this.

The reality is what is the difference from above to this?

You guys in the UK do not get to use some of the best features available like hydraulic brakes, and swing away tongue trailers. The logic is just not there...

C-NUMB · 01 August 2014, 20:19

Its not only UK, its EU and CE type approvals making life sometimes slightly difficult.....

ShinyShoe · 01 August 2014, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Peter_C

That is the other option I mentioned but here in the USA they do it with a pin like this.

The reality is what is the difference from above to this?

You guys in the UK do not get to use some of the best features available like hydraulic brakes, and swing away tongue trailers. The logic is just not there...

One possible difference may be the breakaway cable. So if I had a detachable towbar I'd attach by breakaway to something else. If the towbar comes off the breakaway activates just like it jumped off the ball so on an unbraked it drops on to the chain on a braked it applies breaks and hopefully no major disaster...?

If the chain / breakaway is on the forward section you can loose the back section.

spartacus · 02 August 2014, 06:27

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Originally Posted by NSS

As others have said, you won't get a 4.7m rib in a 5m garage. The internal length of my garage is 5.15m and my 4.3 rib with engine on trailer (with a relatively short drawbar length fits with about 75mm to spare.

Also, the 2.1m width will limit your options unless you're willing to deflate the tubes every time you put it in and out.

The width shouldn't be a problem. Most domestic up and over garage doors will accommodate an inflatable, at roughly 8' wide. Trouble is length. My garage is 18" (5.5m) long and holds Ribcraft 4.8m, with a few inches to spare.

naexparvu · 02 August 2014, 06:49

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Originally Posted by spartacus

The width shouldn't be a problem. Most domestic up and over garage doors will accommodate an inflatable, at roughly 8' wide. Trouble is length. My garage is 18" (5.5m) long and holds Ribcraft 4.8m, with a few inches to spare.

What's the Ribcraft like on the sea? I think this is the one that convinced me a lot.

Peter_C · 02 August 2014, 07:15

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

One possible difference may be the breakaway cable. So if I had a detachable towbar I'd attach by breakaway to something else. If the towbar comes off the breakaway activates just like it jumped off the ball so on an unbraked it drops on to the chain on a braked it applies breaks and hopefully no major disaster...?

If the chain / breakaway is on the forward section you can loose the back section.

If you watch one of the installation videos for the folding tongue they do move the chains behind the pivot point. The only reason I know the answer is because I watched one, otherwise I would probably be saying the same thing. It just doesn't make sense why they don't allow them.

ShinyShoe · 02 August 2014, 07:58

They aren't explicitly not permitted as far as I know. But you'd need to get type approval for it which is not going to be cheap so presumably kills a small market by the extra cost...

It may be possible to take it through the one off approval route but you'd need to be keen.

Someone who knows trainer law will be along in a moment to tell me which subsection of paragraph x of avg y would specifically prevent it...

Poly · 02 August 2014, 10:41

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

That's quite expensive.
I'd pay3.5-4k for the boat + 5-6k for the engine + whatever the trailer is.
If I was to go for SR, I'd go for 4.7m, but it's so hard to find them SH.

You need to realign your expectations! budget, new (products nearly new) and your aspirations don't match.

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

What about SR4.7? And you're right, 25miles it's a bit too much, but I still need to get 15-17nm to get to the fishing marks.

Are these 17 miles offshore or 17miles from your planned launch point. Very different issues! My boat could meet all your wants if it was 17 mile hop along the coast. 17 miles offshore would be a fairly serious adventure and extremely weather dependant.

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Originally Posted by naexparvu

Because it can handle better seas and it's more economical for the same size compared to a solid hull. That's as far as I'm aware. I might be wrong, though.

Not sure why a rib is economical. The boat costs more and the engine and wet part of the hull determine efficiency. there are fairly capable hardboats around. Many of them are targeted at sea angling. Of course many ribbers use their boats for angling too but the compromises might mean the benefits are diluted.

ShinyShoe · 02 August 2014, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Poly

You need to realign your expectations! budget, new (products nearly new) and your aspirations don't match.

Really?
You could get a brand new 50HP engine within his budget. (Probably under budget). The hull is more of a challenge if its to be new... but you wont find many new 4.7 hulls. You should be able to pick one up for £4k after selling the engine on if its not new enough...?

You could pick up a brand new Highfield OM460 with no engine for £14-16k. depending on Valmex or Orca tubes. I'd expect a two year old (wont be many about) to cost no more than 70% of that?
What happened to Black Panther it was for sale?

Or and XPRO 420 with a 30 HP engine. 30 sounds bit light in power but remember the boat is lighter as its aluminium. You'd get 23kts out of that. Probably similar to you'd get for a 40HP on an SR4?. Thats brand new AFAIK and costs £10k plus trailer (£700)- bang on budget.
Or you might be able to get one with a 40hp suzi on for the same gold coins...
Used one (1 year old) with a 30 available for 9000 of your gold coins already on a trailer, plus some electronics on the console.

I could get a 2010 4.5m Valiant (I still consider 2010 reasonably new?) for £9k on a trailer with a (?same age) 60 on the back...

He's constrained by the garage size so that implicitly constrains the hull size and therefore price...