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Old 09 December 2007, 14:15   #11
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These people are helping others voluntarily.
No issues there. As I have said many times Venturers are an excellent youth training organisation who I am sure do a lot of good. But the UK has a SAR structure and it is not in the public's interest for them to be confused as to the status of those coming to their aid.

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Please stop finding any excuse to criticise them.
As above. Please re-read my posts and you will find many compliments of their core purpose, showing young people a direction in life.

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You are making yourself look foolish and are obviously way out of your depth posting on these threads.
Hmm...silly abuse from your moral high horse I see. Perhaps obviously with your detailed knowledge of my 20+ years in UK SAR, including negotiating at government level, you would like to quantify your assertion as to how I am "out of my depth"? Alternatively, you may wish to try an appear like a sensible adult and withdraw the comment, stating of course your own vast experience of managing organisations within both marine and land based SAR.

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Ignorance making an attempt at being amusing.

Despite your inclusion of a ludicrous "big grin" symbol (presumably because you've run out of vocabulary), you really aren't very funny.

I suggest you try and learn some respect if you know what that is.
I take it you also have detailed knowledge of Nos's experience to back up your claim that he is ignorant?

Perhaps you could also enlighten us as to how using words such as foolish, ignorant, out of depth, and "run out of vocabulary" fits into your definition of learning and applying respect.

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Hi Pot, this is Kettle. Are you really posting anything useful?
Perhaps clarifying organisations' status is useful or not, but then the same could be applied to your comment.
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of my 20+ years in UK SAR, including negotiating at government level
ummm is this not also a comment from a "high horse" aswell?

I notice you have a certain agenda towards us, perhaps with 20+ years SAR experience you have you should be more supportive of SAR organisations??

just a thought..
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yus. i dun sum ov dat. itts eezier jus too paiy yorr cowncil takks.

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ummm is this not also a comment from a "high horse" aswell?
Don't think so Matt, I was merely pointing out to the person concerned that I do have some experience to make the comments I make, rather than having no knowledge which his "out of depth" comment implied.

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I notice you have a certain agenda towards us, perhaps with 20+ years SAR experience you have you should be more supportive of SAR organisations??

just a thought..
No agenda at all Matt. As I have said many times, seemingly typed in invisible ink, I am thoroughly supportive of the direction in life organisations such as yours can give.

What must be clear though, is that the UK has, through the UK SAR structure, a clear definition of how teams should work and the channels of tasking and operation. To have others involved outside this structure can only cause confusion and may well lead to those with On Scene Command or Search Mission Coordinator roles to be unsure of what is happening on the ground. I am pleased you work with an MOU with the police, and this is to be commended. The bare fact though is that your marine operations, although well intentioned and I am sure well trained are not within the formal UK structure. This is not a criticism, it is the way things are.

You have my respect for the training you do, for the role you seek in helping people, and for the helping hand your organisation gives to its members and others. But, and this is an important point in my view, the best and safest SAR operations are those conducted within the structure that exists.

Please do keep doing what you do, but please also recognise the difference between your valuable, but "additional facility" status, and those operating to more rigourous commitments and standards.
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Ok no probs, the reason i believed you may of had an agenda is the rather interesting first comments you made in the Water Jet Tips thread,

I understand the SAR structure and support it, it works well and we have a great SAR capability in the UK, i know were Venturers stand and why we stand there,

I am glad you appreciate us in the ways you mentioned...thankyou.
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Ok no probs, the reason i believed you may of had an agenda is the rather interesting first comments you made in the Water Jet Tips thread,
Yeah, fair point...probably not one of my better posts!
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Yeah, fair point...probably not one of my better posts!
Keep digin, you must be down about 6ft. by now. Wanna borrow a bigger spade?
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i am a member of the venturers seach and rescue so please srop trying to put us down.
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