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Old 06 October 2013, 04:03   #31
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No wonder plod don't stop more boats, it's truly a minefield, I'm going to stick to my first post, if it looks right, my little mule weighs in at 31/2 ton and looks right so I'll keep using her for towing, just to throw another thing into the ring, my motor in LGV not PLG, don't know what difference that would make other than my road tax is cheaper
Biff I'm no expert on this but I think that puts you in a whole different category as you have a commercial vehicle over 3.5t (with trailer) ?
If you're towing a customers boat for work you'd need a tachograph and to follow rules on driving hours etc.
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I gather the PLG /LGV stuff for taxation is unconnected to the rules on the road. So you can have a van that has windows etc and meets the rules for being a 'car' and can do 70 on a dual carriageway, that is registered as PLG/LGV for tax purposes.
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Old 06 October 2013, 05:27   #33
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I gather the PLG /LGV stuff for taxation is unconnected to the rules on the road. So you can have a van that has windows etc and meets the rules for being a 'car' and can do 70 on a dual carriageway, that is registered as PLG/LGV for tax purposes.

Ooooh! Now this is a can of worms, speaking as someone who was "done" doing 69mph on a dual carriageway in a Citroen Dispatch (had to do a speed awareness course delivered by the most patronising tw4t....) this is my understanding:-
If the vehicle is a car derived van i.e. the original design of the vehicle was a car & you are driving a van variant e.g. Escort, Astra, Mini van etc, you can do 70mph on a dual carriageway, as you can in a "dual purpose" vehicle e.g. Landrover, Hilux pickup, L200 etc.
However, if you are driving a vehicle that was originally designed as a van e.g. A van, minibus, campervan, converted ambulance etc. Then you are restricted to 60 on a dual carriageway, regardless of whether it has seats, windows etc, in the eyes of the law, it's a van.
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This is going to get them going then
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Old 06 October 2013, 05:47   #35
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This is going to get them going then
I wouldn't know where to start Is it a Dual Purpose (looks like it) Is it over 7.5t GTW. Does it "look Right"?.........Should be ok then Say nowt, let them argue the tossdecide
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Feck um, I know I shouldn't say that in this cotton wool HSE run world but I've been driving for 40 years, in the old days we could get things done without all these twats climbing on your back, was there accidents?, yes, but you could argue it was the kit that you used then not the operator. There are probably less accidents now because no one can do anything they want to. That's my Sunday rant, better than going to church
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That's not how the man from the ministry explained it to me, GVW+plated trailer weight= GTW. I was told that the trailer weight is calculated at the plated weight, not its actual weight. E.g I can't tow a trailer with a plated weight of 4.5t with my disco as I would exceed the GTW , even if the trailer was empty & only weight 1t. Of course he might have been telling me a load of bollix. Just goes to show what a minefield it all is.
Well I can confirm that I have had problems with plated trailer weights before, relative to the towing vehicle capacity.

We use small plant trailers that weigh 750 kgs, but are plated to carry 2 tonne, onto which we would put a 1.5 tonne digger, so the total mass would be 2.25 tonne, but the trailers maximum mass could be 2.75 tonne

We were told by a utility company that the towing capacity of their vehicles were 2.3 tonne, and that, plod had advised them they were not allowed to use our types of trailers because the capacity was higher than their vehicles maximum capacity, and if they got stopped, they would get done.

I had to phone Ifor Williams, (who were aware of the problem) and they issued me with a new plate, which I fixed to the trailer, which only rated the load , or MAM to 2.3 tonne, and then, everyone was happy

Just because the drive 'could' overload his rig

How bonkers is that ?
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Well I can confirm that I have had problems with plated trailer weights before, relative to the towing vehicle capacity.

We use small plant trailers that weigh 750 kgs, but are plated to carry 2 tonne, onto which we would put a 1.5 tonne digger, so the total mass would be 2.25 tonne, but the trailers maximum mass could be 2.75 tonne

We were told by a utility company that the towing capacity of their vehicles were 2.3 tonne, and that, plod had advised them they were not allowed to use our types of trailers because the capacity was higher than their vehicles maximum capacity, and if they got stopped, they would get done.

I had to phone Ifor Williams, (who were aware of the problem) and they issued me with a new plate, which I fixed to the trailer, which only rated the load , or MAM to 2.3 tonne, and then, everyone was happy

Just because the drive 'could' overload his rig

How bonkers is that ?
That's more or less as I understood it. The actual weight means bugger all as long as you're not overloaded, it's the plated weight that matters. If the plated weight exceeds the towing capacity of the vehicle then you're in the wrong, which contradicts what SW says. I've no idea which version is correct.
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That's more or less as I understood it. The actual weight means bugger all as long as you're not overloaded, it's the plated weight that matters. If the plated weight exceeds the towing capacity of the vehicle then you're in the wrong, which contradicts what SW says. I've no idea which version is correct.
I dont think even plod knows, as clearly there are differing views, but it was certainly something the trailer manufacturer knew about (whether they agreed with it is another matter)

There certainly isnt any logic in it
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the instructor who got me through the b+e test told me it was all about what the plate says the maximum the car could weigh is, and the maximum weight of the trailer - this is why i had to do the test - whilst doing most of my towing the actual weight of my car and trailer is actually under the 3500kg limit, but because the plates read a lot more, it meant i was towing illegally!
as for the 60mph rule in a 70, i was told it was based on vehicle weight - anything over 2ton is restricted.
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