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Old 20 August 2014, 16:21   #41
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OK here goes nothing, my ideal RIB Man Cave;
  • Large double doors to get any size A frame in
  • Loads of space around the boat
  • Pit for trailer work plus ramps to lift up empty trailers to a decent height to work on.
  • Overhead crane - makes work so much easier
  • Massive dehumidifier and heating system
  • Air tools
  • Racks of pukka tools
  • Steps to get into boats on trailers
  • Welder/metal working area
  • Wood working area
  • Gel coating
  • Spare outboards to swap on to the transom so you can get them serviced and still go boating
  • Full AV system for toons and rib videos
  • Kit room for musto's to dry in
  • BBQ out back with mega deck, fire pit and hot tub!

Something like this.....
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Old 20 August 2014, 16:29   #42
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Pardon the pun, but I'm warming to the idea of some form of heating. I'm going to look at the possibility of underfloor heating, though the floor loading (600kg through two tyres plus the jockey wheel may be an issue).

Up and over door might be an issue when open, but I'm proposing to install two RSJs transversely, so a lift of the boat (less trailer) shouldn't involve a load of any more than 250kg on each hoist/beam.
I have also been planning for years that i would install lighter hoist's in the roof, but i need to fix/ support them in the space between inner an outer roof, and hate the idea
to crawl in 30 cm deep blown stonewool insulation so havent yet got to it

Sounds crazy, but we have water circulated underfloor heating in the garage. The reason is that as having water based floor heating in the house, it was easiest and cheapest to use the same heat exchange also in the garage, thus only option was floor heating.

The setup is litle different, the pipes was secured in the rebars before the concrete was poured, a one layer construction, only one thick & and strong reinforced concrete "slab", having EPS insulation below. Same construction possible to do with electric wire heaters i guess.

Downside over her is that can not shut it of totally during the worst winter time because there is a potential risk that the pipes/tubes might freeze and get damaged, trying to fix them deep in the concrete floor is not an easy or cheap job... using glycol would eliminate any issues but have not bothered to change the fluid, don't even now how to do it as the system is pressurized...

In a milder climate think taking care of insulation and having a few of these HeatandPlumb.com: Myson Finesse Electric Radiators - Free UK Delivery would do the job, using upon need? As the air changes pretty little in a garage most of the time, energy consumption is not huge.
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Old 20 August 2014, 17:15   #43
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OK here goes nothing, my ideal RIB Man Cave;
  • Large double doors to get any size A frame in
  • Loads of space around the boat
  • Pit for trailer work plus ramps to lift up empty trailers to a decent height to work on.
  • Overhead crane - makes work so much easier
  • Massive dehumidifier and heating system
  • Air tools
  • Racks of pukka tools
  • Steps to get into boats on trailers
  • Welder/metal working area
  • Wood working area
  • Gel coating
  • Spare outboards to swap on to the transom so you can get them serviced and still go boating
  • Full AV system for toons and rib videos
  • Kit room for musto's to dry in
  • BBQ out back with mega deck, fire pit and hot tub!

Something like this.....
My house would fit in there, never mind the garage!
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Old 20 August 2014, 17:17   #44
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Sounds crazy, but we have water circulated underfloor heating in the garage. The reason is that as having water based floor heating in the house, it was easiest and cheapest to use the same heat exchange also in the garage, thus only option was floor heating.
Doesn't sound that crazy to me
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Old 20 August 2014, 17:48   #45
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Doesn't sound that crazy to me
Other than, unless the floor slab and the garage are very well insulated, the boiler is going to be working it's nuts off pumping hot water around the garage floor/neighbourhood.
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Other than, unless the floor slab and the garage are very well insulated, the boiler is going to be working it's nuts off pumping hot water around the garage floor/neighbourhood.
Slight thread drift but I was gobsmacked to learn how differently they do certain things in parts of Scandinavia including something called 'District Heating'. Our company house is 7km from the power plant and receives all it's heating and domestic hot water via underground pipes direct from the plant. There is no boiler installed in the house.

To quote from the website...

'The storage tank at the plant is 41.7 metres high and has a diameter of 40 metres. The tank has a capacity of 47,000 m
3 of district heating water of a temperature of upto 98 °C.

The storage tank has a capacity of 9,200 GJ of heat at full load corresponding to the quantity of heat supplied by
Esbjergværket to the district heating system for a continuous 6-8 hours

on a normal winter’s day.'

The system feeding our propery supports the heating and hot water requirements of two major connurbations with more than 80,000 people

Doesn't say what pump capacities are....
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Other than, unless the floor slab and the garage are very well insulated, the boiler is going to be working it's nuts off pumping hot water around the garage floor/neighbourhood.
If I were to use under floor heating then yes the slab would of course need to be well insulated, but I wouldn't be trying to heat a garage to the same degree as the house, merely to keep it few notches above brass monkeys. And I guess it may be feasible to feed it from solar thermal panels rather than a boiler

Worth exploring at least.
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Old 21 August 2014, 12:40   #48
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Yes, we are connected to "district heating" from power plant, close to 100 C water arrives to the property(wintertime) and is through a heat exhanger heating the floor heating and tap water. Funny thing that the tap water exhanger is larger than the floor heating unit.... As a heating system its not the cheapest, but need no maintenance and pretty cheap to runn also. A wireless unit sends the consumption data, and based of that will be charged each month.

The garage i pretty well insulated, don't remember exactly but roof is 30 cm stone wool and floor is 15 cm eps. The space below the floor is typically +6 also in winter, so in fact not much heat leak from there anyway. Doors are a biggest source of leak, only 30mm pu foam, but as keeping the temperature on 10-15C, the floor heating is on a very slow flow(less than a bedroom in the main building) so its not a big deal cost wise to keep warm. Construction /building costs is another story over here, very long mortgages are not unusual....

Correct, if would increase the temperature to +22 in winter, it would make a huge difference, already now the snow melts faster closer to the doors.
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Talking about 'District Heating' Russia are the world leaders on it,miles of pipe! (at least they where back in the day )
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