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Old 18 May 2009, 17:29   #61
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The commercial vessel 12kn speed limit is already in place.

Given the follining comment in a PLA document on the website, I would be surprised if pleasure vessels are already restricted, I hope not:-

"The new draft Thames Byelaws 2008: The PLA has received feedback following public consultation and will publishing these shortly together with PLA response to them. Most of the feedback has been about the proposed new speed limit in London both for and against. The draft byelaws will be revised following consultation and presented to the PLA board before going to wider consultation by Dft. Once this is complete the draft byelaws will be confirmed by Dft and the existing byelaws revoked. The new byelaws are not expected to be in place now until end of 2009."
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Yup, knew about the previous 12knots limit between the bridges for the commercial guys. But the NOM that was emailed around today referred to the 12kts above CG pier as of now.

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PS. PLA website does not seem to have the NOM that I am referring to on it yet. I am on their email list for these, so they may have sent it out before they updated their site.
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oh no,

just found this in a doc dated May 9th

"The introduction of new 12 knot speed limit between Margaretness and Wandsworth, with provision for a relaxation on an individual craft basis following risk assessment."

But it does not really state when from...

http://www.pla.co.uk/pdfs/maritime/R...h_May_2008.pdf
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Scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's an extra 9 miles at the most inefficient speed you can have in a RIB - and that's as long as they stick at Cherry pier!!!
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Notice to Mariners12 of 2009 Lower Pool to Wandsworth Reach - Advisory 12 Knot Speed Limit.

Over the past eighteen months the Port of London Authority has been reviewing the Port of London River Byelaws 1978 (as amended) in consultation with river users. As part of this process Byelaw 48 (Speed Limits) has been carefully re-examined and it is proposed to introduce a blanket 12 Kt speed limit between Cherry Garden Pier and Wandsworth Bridge in the new Port of London Thames Byelaws (2009).

The risks of collision or contact resulting from growing freight and passenger traffic, the increasing speed differential between different types of vessels and the major construction works in the area, requires action to be taken pending the introduction of the new Thames Byelaws.

An advisory speed limit of 12 Kt between Cherry Garden Pier and Wandsworth Bridge is therefore introduced with immediate effect.

Safety is the responsibility of all those navigating on and using the River, for whatever purpose. All mariners should recognise the significant risks that navigating in central London at high speed brings, and to act responsibly by adhering to the new advisory speed limit.

Attention is also drawn to The International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972 (as amended) Rule 6 (Safe Speed) and the Port of London Act 108 (General rules for navigation) which provides:

A Master who navigates his vessel on the Thames:

a without due care and attention; or
b in a manner liable to injure or endanger persons, other vessels, the banks of the Thames (whether above or below mean high water level) or any structure or installation in or beside the Thames;

shall be guilty of an offence and liable to a fine upon conviction.

Date Published: 18-May-09


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Owners, Agents and Charterers should ensure that the contents of this Notice are made known to the masters or persons in charge of their vessels or craft.
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So it's only advisory at the moment but looks like it will come into force soon!!!

Will the Thames clipper etc have an exemption? That kind of boat caused the trouble in the first place!!!
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Will the Thames clipper etc have an exemption? That kind of boat caused the trouble in the first place!!!
EXACTLY!

But they create revenue for the port and the PLA so it's completely different
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"The introduction of new 12 knot speed limit between Margaretness and Wandsworth, with provision for a relaxation on an individual craft basis following risk assessment."
I'm looking forward to making my application!
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After using the Freedom of Information Act I requested the following;

Description of the information requested:
I recently took part in the Port of London Authority's informal consultation on new bylaws for the tidal River Thames. Since the consultation process ended there has been a formal response by the PLA but after my most recent request for a progress update i was advised that it has now been passed to the DFT for consideration.

Consequently I would be grateful if you advise me on
a) what "consideration" involves
b) when the dft will have finished this "consideration" process
c) what steps will be taken after the "consideration" process

Many thanks,

CJL

Today the following info has come from the Department of Transport;

Dear Mr CJL,

Port of London Authority - Thames Bye-laws

Thank you for your enquiry into the status of the application by the Port of London Authority for bye-laws for tidal River Thames.

I hope the following answers your questions:

a) The 'consideration' or consultation process that the Ports Division of the Department for Transport carries out involves internal consultation with interested stakeholders including the Maritime & Coastguard Agency; Trinity House and the Royal Yachting Association. Consultation with the Department's legal advisors will also be required to ensure what is being proposed in the bye-laws is not outside the powers available to the Port of London Authority in their legislation.

b) After the consultation process has been completed, the bye-laws will be sealed (signed) by the applicant and a notice(s) advertising the bye-laws will be placed in a newspaper(s) circulating widely in the area of the application.

c) Any objection received as a result of the advertisement will be passed to the applicants for them to resolve. The Secretary of State will proceed to make the bye-laws when the objection is withdrawn. The Secretary of State can determine an application if objections have not been withdrawn.

You might be interested to know that at the time of you writing, the application for the bye-laws had not been received.

Yours sincerely,


Linturn Hopkins


So it looks like the PLA are going to try and have an advisory speed limit in place rather than us the bylaw system?


Glad that's all cleared up!!

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And if it's a byelaw similar to windemere's then will it really be enforcable anyway?
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