View Poll Results: Should there be a legally enforced alcohol limit for leisure boaters?
Yes. Legislation is the way forward. 33 32.04%
Don't mind. I don't drink and boat so it won't affect me. 11 10.68%
No. Things are fine as they are. 59 57.28%
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Old 14 August 2007, 08:59   #81
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It's a shame that this forum doesn't have any voting functionality, as this would be a great topic to get the forum's view on.
OK, I've added a poll. Let's see how the figures come out.

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Old 14 August 2007, 12:37   #82
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As a hepatologist (liver specialist) who spends most of his working life dealing with the very distressing and rising effects of alcohol abuse/excess, maybe I have a slightly different view of the subject.

Firstly, I dont believe in the conspiracy theory that all legislation is out to "prevent fun" as some naiively put it.

Secondly, I would think that if you asked the same poll of most harbour masters, RNLI and coastguard then their opinion would be very different. Or are they all government agents hellbent on destroying fun?

Thirdly, what would those that are against any limit suggest should happen to a boater who does kill/injure someone whilst under the influence? The same as if alcohol wasn't involved?

And yes, I do drink but not whilst at the helm of a 1 1/2 tonne boat travelling at 40mph.
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It's a shame that this forum doesn't have any voting functionality, as this would be a great topic to get the forum's view on.

My guess is that 70% would be against any kind of formal legislation.

The fact is, that any death caused by a person in charge of a boat while in British waters can still lead to a prosecution for man slaughter etc. Which, in my view is legislation enough.
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Legislation is not the key. Education and awareness of consequences is. If legislation worked then there would be no drink driving.

You can't (unfortunately) legislate against having no common sense as there will always be complete idiots. (for example the guy I saw get his divers in on Thursday who then got out a FISHING ROD....!!!)

I wonder how close the correlation between drink drivers and drunken boaters is?
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I don't see any need for any more laws.

They only tend to penalise the law abiding public anyway, because they are the ones that will tend to obey them. And it only encourages the 'Jobsworths' who let a little power go to their head and for whatever reason have no reason !

The laws are already in place. Lets have some proper enforcing of them by the proper parties (Police).
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but I cannot understand why legislation whch could prevent some pisshead taking you and your family out is so abhorrent to you.
One good reason maybe,is that he thinks it would'nt.
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Going back to the original thread, I agree with Codprawn, I don't think any legislation would have affected the behaviour in Cowes. They had already been warned by the police - they were driving at night - no lights - no lifejackets. Drunk or Sober they were going on that course of action and the outcome would have probably ended up the same - perhaps worse.

There is an argument for and against legislation. Nobody believes that drink driving a car is a good idea and there is legislation to prevent this and yet people still do it.

I do not drink and drive over the limit in a car or a rib and to be honest, it is fun enough without alcohol. Having said that, at the priory bay meeting I had a pimms and lemonade, who is to say that I wasn't over the limit as there are so many factors that would determine whether I would be over the limit.

However a zero tollerance would be unworkable in some situations. You are at a beach planning to spend the weekend there, have a few beers. You've listened to the forecast and know the tide times and yet you have to move your boat in the middle of the night for whatever reason. Do you:-

a) not have any alcohol - just in case;
b) not move the boat even though this may put yourself or your boat in danger;
c) move the boat and hope that everything will be OK.

Clearly, the most sensible answer is a) but in reality!
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As a hepatologist (liver specialist) who spends most of his working life dealing with the very distressing and rising effects of alcohol abuse/excess, maybe I have a slightly different view of the subject.

Firstly, I dont believe in the conspiracy theory that all legislation is out to "prevent fun" as some naiively put it.

Secondly, I would think that if you asked the same poll of most harbour masters, RNLI and coastguard then their opinion would be very different. Or are they all government agents hellbent on destroying fun?

Thirdly, what would those that are against any limit suggest should happen to a boater who does kill/injure someone whilst under the influence? The same as if alcohol wasn't involved?

And yes, I do drink but not whilst at the helm of a 1 1/2 tonne boat travelling at 40mph.
Wise words

And as I said before do you really need the drink to have fun in a boat?
If not then why all the up roar on something that is likely to make the boating world a safer place?

Yes we all should have a choice but when more and more loons, who are not as respectful of others as most of us here, are causing drink related problems them maybe it is time for a change.
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Just one thing - I don't even drink and yet I am still against such laws - the sea is one of the few places I can escape from the real World - if only for a little while!!!
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Lots of opinions, so what would mine matter?

Wow!! Fast expanding thread!
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