Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 25 February 2010, 23:53   #1
dnv
Member
 
Country: Germany
Town: Hamburg
Boat name: Der Delphin
Make: Parker
Length: 6m +
Engine: Inboard Diesel 120HP
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 168
searider 7.4 project

Dear all

am still looking for a RIB. The winter has kept me away from driving 2x 1,000km to the UK sofar.

the German police is auctioning a 1989 7.4m Searider. It has a 1997 Volvo Penta with 200HP , steering is defect, no engine starter:
http://www.vebeg.de/web/de/verkauf/s...239&SHOW_LOS=2

What is such a RIB - w/o trailer - worth, and what are typical costs for repairing steering and an engine overhaul, and what are general opinions on a '89 Avon Searider 7.4m? Is it sufficiently powered with a 200HP Volvo Penta? Are there any specific points to look at or to be prepared for in terms of costs?

thanks again for your help,
regards
Jan
__________________

__________________
dnv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 February 2010, 06:52   #2
RIBnet supporter
 
LURCHER's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Tisted Hampshire
Boat name: Hot Lemon
Make: Scorpion
Length: 8m +
Engine: Inboard
MMSI: 235
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 766
Send a message via MSN to LURCHER
Volvo

Hi Jan
Welcome to RIBNET
Do you know which volvo engine is in the boat ? A starter for a kad44 is about 200 here in UK .
__________________
www.hiremarquee.co.uk
LURCHER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 February 2010, 07:00   #3
RIBnet supporter
 
LURCHER's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Tisted Hampshire
Boat name: Hot Lemon
Make: Scorpion
Length: 8m +
Engine: Inboard
MMSI: 235
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 766
Send a message via MSN to LURCHER
parts

http://www.marinepartseurope.com/en/...0-AQAD41A.aspx
__________________
www.hiremarquee.co.uk
LURCHER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 February 2010, 08:32   #4
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,113
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnv View Post
Dear all

am still looking for a RIB. The winter has kept me away from driving 2x 1,000km to the UK sofar.

the German police is auctioning a 1989 7.4m Searider. It has a 1997 Volvo Penta with 200HP , steering is defect, no engine starter:
http://www.vebeg.de/web/de/verkauf/s...239&SHOW_LOS=2

What is such a RIB - w/o trailer - worth, and what are typical costs for repairing steering and an engine overhaul, and what are general opinions on a '89 Avon Searider 7.4m? Is it sufficiently powered with a 200HP Volvo Penta? Are there any specific points to look at or to be prepared for in terms of costs?

thanks again for your help,
regards
Jan
Assuming it is just needing a starter and new steering then 1000 EUR would see you back in the water if you fitted the parts yourself. But I am always a bit wary of anyone selling anything that "just needs an easy fix". If it just needs a new steeing system why haven't they fitted it? likewise with the starter. So you need to assume that its going to be more complicated than you think unless you can visually inspect it and have the knowledge to convince yourself there is nothing serious wrong with it. If you can't start it and test the steering then its difficult to assess for major problems like needing a new drive leg or even engine!

How much its worth depends how much you really want it and how much someone else really wants it. If boats like this are quite rare locally and there is stong local demand then it will be worth more in germany than it might be somewhere where there are lots of boats to chose from and potentially fewer people interested in old commercial style boats.

Does it come with the launch trolley its on? Even if that is no use to you it should have value to someone.

What is the unusual metal loop sticking out the bow?

Babcock's used to sell off the old MoD PAC22's fairly regularly. It seemed to be that if they were in used but running order then they would be asking about 12k for a slightly more modern one, 10k for one with an older engine; ones with some bits missing would be 6-8k; and 4k if the engine was missing, a bare hull with no tubes or engine would be less than 2k. I've no idea what the actual selling price was compared to the asking price. This is pre-recession!

You are looking at a slightly bigger boat with a bit bigger engine but its still the same, used industrial spec diesel rib market so probably similar prices?
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 February 2010, 08:46   #5
RIBnet supporter
 
Ian M's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: New Milton
Boat name: Jianna
Make: Osprey
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200 E-TEC
MMSI: 235076954
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,933
And......

All that Polwart said, and also who photographs a boat, particularly when they are trying to sell it, with partially deflated tubes - why not just pump them up Definitely a case of buyer beware
__________________
Ian

Dust creation specialist
Ian M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 February 2010, 08:47   #6
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: West Wales
Make: Vipermax 5.8, SR4.7
Length: 5m +
Engine: 150 Opti, F50EFi
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,298
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post
What is the unusual metal loop sticking out the bow?

I thought it may have been the flush pipe for a sea toilet.
__________________
Downhilldai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02 March 2010, 14:19   #7
Member
 
Country: Germany
Town: Stuttgart
Boat name: Boat
Make: Avon,Scorpio,535 She
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yam 75HP,Johnson 70
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 133
Hi Jan,

the starter and steering will not be the problem .
Look at the tubes, they are painted with some kind of plastic paint. So have a reserve of minimum 5000 for new tubes.
As i also follow the adverts and auctions from vebec and customs , the price will be over 7500.
There was a sr74 in south France for 11000 in excellent state , with a 454 engine, that was overhouled and maybe a valve gasket or something was wrong , because it smoked .

Have an eye on that.
Mike
__________________
mike-stgt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02 March 2010, 14:22   #8
Member
 
Country: Germany
Town: Stuttgart
Boat name: Boat
Make: Avon,Scorpio,535 She
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yam 75HP,Johnson 70
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 133
That is the engine.

http://www.marinepartseurope.com/de/...0-AQAD41A.aspx
Mike
__________________
mike-stgt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04 March 2010, 06:34   #9
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Southampton
Boat name: DynaMoHumm/ SRV/deja
Make: Avon8.4, 5.4 & 4.777
Length: 8m +
Engine: Cat3126 Yam 90 &70
MMSI: 42
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,556
That engine is a bit weak, and they do like to rust, check out the engine mountings and intercooler connections etc for signs of corrosion. Also pull out the pencil anodes in the raw water heat exchanger inlet and see what condition they are in, if they are non existent that gives you an idea of the care taken over this engine during it's working life.

My Son (and me) overhauled one of these engines and the parts where real dear you'll have to allow a 100o e to do it propoerly, Starter Motor is an AC delco product and can be got on ebay for 250.

I found a place called Keyparts had the best prices and really good advice and they'll send everywhere

Be patriotic replace the engine with a VW 250 brmm brmm

The toobs and hull are very well made so you can nearly always bring them back to greatness with a bit of effort and maybe some glue. I don't like painted tubes at all but it generally indicates the tubes are shabby and not porous, but don't take my word for it go to the boat blow it up and paint the tubes and valves with a weak mixture of washing up liquid and water or if you are a diver some Snoop. if the bubble are blatant and localised you have a small leak not a big deal. If they are all over the place then that might be more serious?

We restored and re-engined Avon sr8.4 and it is impossible not to be impressed with the strength of the materials used in these craft

Steering may just need a bit of heat and purging or a new cylinder 300euro ar a complete new system 500 euro (Admiral Hydrive or Seastar)

Lose the Bow protector

any boat this age will benefit from a rewire so allow 500 e for that

I must admit that boat looks like a great project but I wouldn't be paying more than 4keu at auction unless I was happy with tubes and hull. I have some photos of the Avon and engine overhaul somewhere if I can find them I'll send you them on CD
__________________
Here it comes again, I don't stand a chance
Soul possession, Got me in a trance
Pullin' me back to you - Deja Voodoo
Rogue Wave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04 March 2010, 13:47   #10
dnv
Member
 
Country: Germany
Town: Hamburg
Boat name: Der Delphin
Make: Parker
Length: 6m +
Engine: Inboard Diesel 120HP
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 168
Thanks for the feedback.
This is an auction of a German governmental agency, trying to make money for the government. This is why the RIB is not put into nice looking condition - they are not really marketing, rather have a take-it-or-leave-it attitude ;-)


regards
Jan
__________________

__________________
dnv is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:45.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.