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Old 12 August 2002, 09:51   #1
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Sailing around a diving flag !!

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This might not be the right forum, but I'm trying anyway.

This Sunday I was aou diving with some frinds just north of Copenhagen, by a little island called Ven.

We lay a anchor a had our diving flag up. The first divers had just left the surface, when we noticed a sailing yacht heading directly for us. We dumped the anchor (there wasn't time the get it back in the boat) and put the RIB directly between where the divers went down and the yacht. Despite our diving flag, and the RIB, and our yelling at him, he didn't change his heading. The yacht missed us by about 1 meter only because we moved. With the result of the yacht running directly over our divers (they where close to the bottom at this time, they didn't here the sailing yacht, but they did here my RIB. So they knew something was the matter, and stayed close to the buttom).
What can you do at a time like this......

Fire a flare directly into his cockpit, we did talk about this. (but kept to talking about it).

Any sugestions....

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A SCUD missile might do the trick!
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Old 12 August 2002, 10:05   #3
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I had something similar a few years ago when I was in a spearfishing comp over here in the UK. A speedboat went through about 20 divers even though we each had a "A" flags on our floats.

The land-lubber then threatened me with his prop at which point the other spear fisherman raised their spear guns and offered a different viewpoint.

One of my friends was hit by a speedboat a couple of years ago outside Poole harbour while spearfishing.

I guess if you had any white "collision" flares then you could have fired one of those off but I bet he wouldn’t know what they were for. My preferred choice would have been a parachute flare into the sails !

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I think you have to start from the viewpoint that the opposing skipper is not (let me choose my words carefully here), "a professional". He is a lot of other things, but a competant sailor, NO.
So, how about blowing one of those aerosol airhorns at him and when you have his attention, jab your finger repeatedly at your Divers Down flag.
Even assuming he appears to ignore you, surely, even a complete dimmo will go home and out of curiosity, look up the meaning of the flag........and, maybe.......even recognise it, and take the correct action next time.
I personally would not take any, erm, intemporate action myself, unless my divers were on the surface and going to be hit, in which case.....watch out Mr. Bonehead.
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Yes - I reckon that although 5 short blasts on the horn would be the correct signal, it's unlikely that someone who had so far ignored the A flag would realise the meaning of this. Both signals are covered in RYA courses, but it's surprising how ignorant some people are IRO such matters.

A few months ago the Salcombe Island Cruising Club launch overtook me in in The Bag at sunset, then cut across my bows from L to R. Despite me pointing at my illuminated port nav light, he didn't accept that I was the stand-on vessel, and passed within about two feet (no exaggeration!) of Janina's bow. Now, given that he's operating a commercial boat, there's a guy who should have known better - so much for "Professionals"!

I guess that a call on channel 16 would also be a good idea, I'm a non-diver so I certainly wouldn't take umbridge at being asked to give more space to dive boats and their divers. Whether this would be effective to the ignorant skipper is another matter altogether...
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Hi Pepper

I'm sure that your right about him not knowing the 5 blast signals.

But I really do like your adwise on using the VHF channel 16.

He might not be listening, or he might not have a VHF onboard. But it certainly would bring some attention to the situation, from some of the other boats in the area. And just maybe someone in the harbor where he will be docking later on, have heard this and will bring it to his attention.

I will deffently be using this advise the next time (I'm sad to say but I think that there might be a few more insidents like this).

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Yachts always worried me when we were working down among the shallow water moorings. You can see the grooves on the bottom where a keel or two has only just made it. Makes you look over your shoulder all the time for a silent lump of metal creeping up on you from behind
If you are in the uk you could always report dangerous navigation to the coastguard on ch16-not much consolation if you have just had a diver cut up though!
(We once had a mirror dinghy tie up to a divers personal marker buoy on coniston water
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Glass bottom boats are the worst, they seem to hunt out divers. In both Egypt and Spain we were stalked by glass bottom boats.
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Hence why you should always carry a slate and waterproof pencil when you dive! Handy to tell them where you think they should put that glass bottomed boat. If you don't have a slate handy, there's a couple of useful hand signals you can use, followed by waving your knife at them.
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Or the other thing you can do, if you see the offending skipper back on the dockside, is to go up to him, grab hold of his lapels, stare deep and meaningfully into his face, and say in loud and menacing tones, the following:

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

See if he ever does it again.
Of course it helps if you are black, 6ft 4 and have a Colt .45 in your hand.
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