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Old 30 October 2013, 11:27   #41
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Maybe it was mentioned but as it is 2 days will it become double to cost as well ?
Prices vary at the moment ie between 59,- and JBT charging 100,- for 1 day...Will it become 200,- then..... ? If so then I either do it in 2013 or wait a bit and use it without it for emergencies only ? :-)
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Old 30 October 2013, 11:59   #42
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Looking at the bigger picture, users here complain about some boaters not being trained in aspects of their use and then we make it harder for the average boater to stay compliant by making another two day course at extra expense , when as we all know I can buy a boat tomorrow with all the kit aboard and not have a single certificate and go out an use it.

In relation to this post about VHF radios then I assume the same will generally happen and if needed the user will push DSC emergency button or pick up the handset and call for assistance. Does not make it right but we have put another obstacle in the way
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and I gotta say, big fan of the instructions "If donegaldan falls out, press and hold the red distress button" !

I know the CG will move you to a working channel after calling them using DSC, but you
From my experience of being in a boat with you Donegaldan - if you fall out the rest of us have been thrown out long before

As for Ribochet:
Great post Dan

"Once again this shows the important of listening to the advice of an "expert" which you clearly are "

What are you after????? Spit it out. Just stop buttering him up - only makes him worse next time

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Old 30 October 2013, 15:38   #44
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Maybe it was mentioned but as it is 2 days will it become double to cost as well ?
Prices vary at the moment ie between 59,- and JBT charging 100,- for 1 day...Will it become 200,- then..... ? If so then I either do it in 2013 or wait a bit and use it without it for emergencies only ? :-)
Yes! More than likely, we now have to send out a pack which includes a book and will cost each training center 10. On top of this the fee for the exam and the issue of the certificate will be 60. At the moment we don't actually know the cost for the online course but I think you can pretty much bet that the cost will be >200 at the end of the day.

Training centres that offer the on line course - as we do- have a fixed annual fee plus an extra charge for each course we add so that is a fixed cost we have to cover. Every school is going to have to make changes to their web sites plus set up exam days. It is likely that I will only offer the online option with an exam day and radio experience day. I can't do any instructing at all if I run the exam/assesment but I can give "tuition" on the use of the radio itself.

The assessor is now external and I also think the fail rate will increase. The interesting thing will be how much the retest will be! Another 60? Probably, because the assessor is not going to do courses for nothing!
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Still confused, if calling coastguard using DSC, after being switched to working channel by CG, who makes the first voice comms, the ship that instigated the call or the CG?

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Old 30 October 2013, 17:20   #46
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lol - Poly - you did your course before Clyde closed down - if I am not wrong ! so your question was NOT a question!
I brought the question up-to-date . It was actually asked by a Wafi not me. He asked it in a Clyde / Stornoway and Clyde / Belfast context.

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group calling - you can't physically add stations to Group - A Group MMSI is issued from ofcom and each radio is programmed with that number to be part of the group.
You are absolutely correct. I think you've just made the point nicely though - there are people instructing courses who didn't know (or didn't explain this clearly) and who clearly have never used some of the more interesting features...

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by voice

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whatever coastguard , whatever coastguard
this is your name , your name
routine
over
you may well be right - but I've never heard anyone use a "routine" proword.

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just letting you we have x number people in board, we are going to x or doing y we expect to be off the water by time , you hold my cg66 over
Useful to know where starting from (and if appropriate the route) e.g. Gigha to Oban via Sound of Isla? IIRC correctly the CG66 is 'held' by your local/normal MRCC, so if that is Belfast, and I've towed the boat to the forth - should I be telling Aberdeen that "Belfast CG hold my CG66"? There is no unique identified so there are probably half a dozen orange ribs called Jaffa around the country which could all have a CG66 - if its a voicecall (or h/held dsc) how are they going to match the right CG66?
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Still confused, if calling coastguard using DSC, after being switched to working channel by CG, who makes the first voice comms, the ship that instigated the call or the CG?

If calling the CG using DSC and after being switched to a working channel by CG,
first voice comms is instigated by the CG.

There are 2 rules regarding who controls a conversation.
A) If two boats are out for the day, and you call your friend, he controls the conversation.
B) If a boat initiates comms with the CG, the CG always controls the comms.
If they switch you to a working channel, then you wait for them to call you when they are ready and have time to talk to you, like a queue based system (appropriate amount of time waiting, they are human and can forget about you, however they may also be working an incident that you cannot hear or know about, so a little patience)

This is obviously with respect to routine calls.
If you are making any urgency (Pan Pan) or distress (Mayday) they will be all over you like .... well ... like Willk said... like Me over a bambi burger.
Guarantee you utter Pan Pan or Mayday, you get the CG undivided attention

Hope this answers your question
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If calling the CG using DSC and after being switched to a working channel by CG,
first voice comms is instigated by the CG.

There are 2 rules regarding who controls a conversation.
A) If two boats are out for the day, and you call your friend, he controls the conversation.:
That's interesting, on my vhf course I was taught that the person initiating the call was in control and was the person that finished the call. I've been doing it wrong for ages

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That's interesting, on my vhf course I was taught that the person initiating the call was in control and was the person that finished the call. I've been doing it wrong for ages

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No you haven't it used to be that way until the introduction of DSC when it changed to the calling vessel controls the communication. If you think that when you wish to contact anther vessel using their MMSI number it is you that selects the working channel to call them on.

Either party can end the call though.
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That's interesting, on my vhf course I was taught that the person initiating the call was in control and was the person that finished the call. I've been doing it wrong for ages
Not the worst sin on the airwaves!
The simplest reasoning is that if you are calling, you are free and able to talk (routine traffic)
The other party can be busy doing something and thus restricted in their ability to talk.. I.e. Dropping divers, towing skiers etc

The DSC on most leisure craft is only capable of helping start a call on an agreed channel.
Even if you send a designated DSC message to just one boat requesting to talk, they still have the ability to ignore you if they are busy.
Not great etiquette, but if their hands are full, then talking to you is a lower priority (nothing personal)

Obviously the CG as professionals control all conversations where they are involved
Or they come out and smack you for being bad on the radio, and puncture your tubes
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