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Old 16 November 2014, 10:31   #11
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I don't condone any of what I just saw.


However you could probably hear a pin drop at the next Greenpeace meeting when the question gets asked.


"Who's up for a peaceful demonstration in a boat"..?

Can't see that screaming woman volunteering this time.

Job done Spanish police/navy.
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If your prepared to try and board someone's ship at sea then be prepared for the consequences.
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Old 16 November 2014, 11:04   #13
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I'm torn on this one. Spanish authorities far too heavy handed. Surely water cannon or a boom around the drilling vessel would have been more practical.

Do think Greenpeace need to rethink their strategy as they must have known it would be confrontational to go near it.
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Old 16 November 2014, 11:26   #14
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In a "go fast" in the Indian ocean your deemed a terrorist/pirate if you try this kind of stunt and face automatic weapon fire.

In a rib in near the canaries......
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Yeh.. but what were they protecting and or protesting about? Japanese killing 1000's of whales for scientific reasons or should it be vice versa
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Yeh.. but what were they protecting and or protesting about? Japanese killing 1000's of whales for scientific reasons or should it be vice versa
sorry but a specific belief dosent change what's permitted/right/Lawfull.

Are ISIS OK to behead people cos they believe its OK to do that?
Just because Greenpeace wave a green flag does not put them above the law.
If the Somali pirate wave a green flag and claim they "don't like the pollution the big ships leave" is that all OK then?

As far a greenpeace go, they got a bunch of free press, job done. but they cant complain about the treatment they get if they are putting themselfs and others in harms way.
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I'm sorry, you can't draw parallels between pirates and greenpeace. Pirates don't turn up without arms, and they are intent on causing harm to those onboard, and/or stealing. Greenpeace are carrying out a peaceful protest. Even if they boarded, that would not result in a threat to either the crew or the asset. And I think we can see that the tactics were inappropriate for the situation, it is perfectly feasible to push another boat without ramming it.
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I'm sorry, you can't draw parallels between pirates and greenpeace. Pirates don't turn up without arms, and they are intent on causing harm to those onboard, and/or stealing. Greenpeace are carrying out a peaceful protest. Even if they boarded, that would not result in a threat to either the crew or the asset. And I think we can see that the tactics were inappropriate for the situation, it is perfectly feasible to push another boat without ramming it.
simple question is either activity lawfull? bear in mind the Greenpeace people had climbing harnesses on and we set up to board the ship to display the banner in the rucksack.

Boarding the ship in itself has dangers, as dose getting that close to a working ship or between 2 ships!. The first side swipe was well away from they ships and should have been seen as a statement of intent. You continue on with your actions when the police have made a statement like that, more fool you.

The second piece of action was to prevent the activists getting any ropes onto the ship and putting your vessel between the 2 is a viable option. The Greenpeace boats had no reason for being between the 2 ships.

to me peaceful includes not breaking any laws and not putting yourself or other in danger.
Getting between 2 ships, trying to board them and getting in the path of the ships, are not peaceful or lawful or safe actions.
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Some pretty poor seamanship displayed there.

Maybe free peace need to have some boadicea wheel trims
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In the first instance I have to say that fitting a banner and hijacking and kidnapping and holding to ransom are on different ends of the legal scale, and so the use of force allowed would be somewhat different. Again, I reiterate that Greenpeace do not carry weapons.

Those two vessels were very unlikely to collide, the one a drillship running DP3 and the supply at a minimum of DP2, so, although it occasionally happens, the risk of becoming trapped between the two are very slim, especially in calm weather. The greatest risk is likely to be the crane working over head, or fuel and fluid transfer hoses between the two, but there doesn't appear to be any.

Preventing access is obviously important from a security standpoint, as yes, it would be considered illegal however, I think if the police broke your legs in any event it would probably be felt that it had been somewhat of a heavy handed approach to the situation. Was the risk adequately high to justify a severe injury to an individual? Additionally, I query whether the initial 'side swipe' was a legal move, depending on precise location and whether these vessel were entering the safety zone, also known as a 500m exclusion zone.

Bear in mind that I work for one side of this argument, and can't help but being hypocritical in supporting the other side's decision in executing their actions, I do feel that the physical injury was easily avoidable with some due care and consideration, and also believe that governments are very ready to please those who bring the money which may not be a true reflection of what the people want, and so agree that taking a stand for your beliefs in a peaceful manner should be supported fairly by the government.
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