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Old 17 June 2016, 08:42   #21
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Dubrus, I think the other thing about using a big domestic car for 6.5m tow duties is where you are going to launch. Steep, slimy slips are 4x4 territory. BUT you can pay a lot of nice marina slipway fees, and even launch tractors for your insurance and tax cost on a second car.
Poly, to put this into perspective i can only use largs marina as an example as i know of no where else that does tractor launches other than loch lomond.

the slipway is fairly steep but it isn't slimey as it is kept in good nick, as is my own one at kip marina, not a single ounce of growth on those slipways.

Largs charge 11 quid to launch and 11 quid to recover or it is about 30+30 quid (dont quote me on that but it is in that ball park) for the tractor to do it if not comfortable putting car/4x4 on slipway. if you buy a cheap 4x4 of say 1k, insure it, tax etc then you can get a LOT of launches for that money and not worry about the second car issue.

i have been towing my 6.8 with my xtrail for circa 18 months, it does 50mpg solo, 200 ish roadtax and 4wd on demand if i need it. on a slipway i normally let the front wheels spin a bit as tyres are cheaper than a clutch. if need be i will use 4wd option...amazing car IMO.

there are a lot of people on the forum who just say the boat costs x just buy a 4x4 and accept it. but there is a difference between spending wisely and throwing it away.

unfortunately once you go over 2000kg the car choice is practically gone and you are into only a handful of bigger cars/small 4x4's or big 4x4's...i have been procrastinating for MONTHS about changing mine as i give the govt enough without 500 quid for taxing a 4x4 to sit on my driveway 5 days a week to tow my boat 10 miles to the marina 90% of the time.

anyways, only the OP can decide if they need/want another bus for their boat duties but IF the volvo is an auto (4wd advantageous) and slipway used is clean then no reason you couldn't use it for short-medium trip launching duties IMO....that is assuming your 6.4 is under 1800kg ofcourse to begin with!

i categorically would not have bought mine if i knew it HAD to go on a 4 wheel trailer to be legal due to double storage fee price and i know i am in proper 4x4 territory which doesn't suit my normal life away from boats but hey ho........cracking boat though and i won't sell it so needs must!!!!
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Old 17 June 2016, 09:04   #22
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Just to throw in an option...If you want a CHEAP... AND capable 4x4 chaps look no further than a Nissan Terrano...I've had a few over time through my hands ...being in the Motor trade and for me they are they never fail to impress!
Sold a dozen or more over the years and never seen them again for anything serious...Big pluss in my book!
I ran one for a year towed mine absolutely no problem!.2 tonnes ....including a couple of runs to Scotland (500m+)
Of course before anyone has a Hissy Fit!... there are better towers out there!...and certainly more luxurious!... and with more Bells and whistles...but IME nothing comes even close in the Bang for Bucks dept!...wth even low mileage well maintained examples availble at low cost.
Seconded!! Had my 3litre Terrano for 10 years now used for caravans and now rib, nothing fancy relatively good on fuel and reliable.....if they still made them over here I would buy another one for sure.👍
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Old 17 June 2016, 09:49   #23
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Porthcawl powerboat club have tractors free for members use and aberdoch boatyard and abersoch land and sea do tractor launches (seasonal)
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Personally, I wouldn't have anything but a twin axle trailer. Towing long distances as we do, the second axle can be a godsend. They are easier to reverse, & easy enough to hand manoeuvre if you know how. When I got the current BP, I couldn't find an off the shelf twin axle trailer small enough (she's only a wee thing) so I had one built.


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Poly, to put this into perspective i can only use largs marina as an example as i know of no where else that does tractor launches other than loch lomond.
I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but I'm with you that the default answer of buy a 4x4 isn't the best solution for everyone.

Just for your info here are places you might find useful as they are relatively local and do "tractor" type launching:

- Linnhe Marine
- Creran Marine
- Silvers Marine (at Rosneath)

But many smaller boat yards will have a tractor and can be persuaded with cash!

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i categorically would not have bought mine if i knew it HAD to go on a 4 wheel trailer to be legal due to double storage fee price
They charge you double for a twin axle trailer? Thats a bit cheeky - its not taking up any more space.
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Old 17 June 2016, 13:04   #26
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I am in my second season with a Ribcraft 5.3, chosen after detailed study of the advice here - for which many thanks to all concerned. It has been great, and the whole family has had a huge amount of fun, but now I want to go bigger and have a new boat built. It will be definitely be another Ribcraft and I am looking at a 6.4 with a Suzuki 175. But that's getting heavy and I really don't want to change cars as well. So I could use some advice from anyone who has been down this road before me.

I have a Volvo V70 diesel estate which will tow up to 1800 kgs. And that is pretty much what a 6.4 on a double axle trailer is said to weigh (boat 975, engine 220, trailer 550) and then there's going to be some fuel in the tank, plus odds and ends. So probably too close to the limit for comfort. But do I need a double axle? If I don't, that's 150 kg saved for a start.

Alternatively, Jason at Ribcraft says they could save some weight by using Nedapan composite for the deck and stringers and a structural foam transom, as used on their specialist commercial boats. In my dinghy racing days, light was always good, but these days solid sounds better and - although I have great faith in the Ribcraft guys - high tech could end up expensive.

Any thoughts?
I have a RibcraftUSA 6.5 with an e-Tech 175 and specifically ordered the single axle trailer. Plenty of capacity and also easier to maneuver.
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I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but I'm with you that the default answer of buy a 4x4 isn't the best solution for everyone.

Just for your info here are places you might find useful as they are relatively local and do "tractor" type launching:

- Linnhe Marine
- Creran Marine
- Silvers Marine (at Rosneath)

But many smaller boat yards will have a tractor and can be persuaded with cash!


They charge you double for a twin axle trailer? Thats a bit cheeky - its not taking up any more space.
Double post sorry
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I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but I'm with you that the default answer of buy a 4x4 isn't the best solution for everyone.

Just for your info here are places you might find useful as they are relatively local and do "tractor" type launching:

- Linnhe Marine
- Creran Marine
- Silvers Marine (at Rosneath)

But many smaller boat yards will have a tractor and can be persuaded with cash!


They charge you double for a twin axle trailer? Thats a bit cheeky - its not taking up any more space.
Yup, agreeing with you

They say it is harder to move now which is true, getting it in and out now is a pita so they charge double just about.

I would defo get single axle if i had a choice if you need move in tight spaces, the twin is a pita.

Twin does tow better though no question
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Personally, I wouldn't have anything but a twin axle trailer. Towing long distances as we do, the second axle can be a godsend. They are easier to reverse, & easy enough to hand manoeuvre if you know how. When I got the current BP, I couldn't find an off the shelf twin axle trailer small enough (she's only a wee thing) so I had one built.


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+1 all you have to do is wind the jockey wheel up so the 1st axle is nearly lifted of the floor 🙄 how hard can that be 🤔
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+1 all you have to do is wind the jockey wheel up so the 1st axle is nearly lifted of the floor �� how hard can that be ��
If only that worked, i tried it, trays under wheels and even ratchet strap up the front axle, makes sod all difference on my setup. A taller jockey wheel may help and next on shopping list.
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