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Old 18 October 2010, 11:18   #11
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The LOCK is only plastic and WILL snap with sufficient force, like being thrown against it. Also Surface mounts rarly have a "Lock"
Best to switch of as the diver who was run over by a dive boat in the noprtheast last year I am sure he would agree/
Was that by the hard boat run by Sovereign divers? If so it's a completely different situation
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Old 18 October 2010, 11:34   #12
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No a Rib was involved in an incident aswell, I'll try to find the info, although last year was a bad year for me (I lost almost 9months) and could well be mistaken it could have been the previous year.
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Old 18 October 2010, 13:05   #13
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I think I'd prefer to have the MOB recovered safely in in the boat and risk the engine not starting again (IMHO a small risk on a properly maintained engine) than risk the engine being knocked out out neutral whilst people are trying to manhandle a casulty aboard.

If there's only 1-2 left on board you'll probably need both to recover the MOB which will mean the helm moving away from the engine controls and disconnecting from the killcord.
I'd switch off - unless there was immenent danger to the craft - and therefore the MOB by not switching off.

As current teaching seems to be call in a MOB as a pan-pan - if not a mayday - if the engine doesn't start you can update the pan-pan / mayday.

There will always be situations when you have weigh common sense & expereince with risk & conditions. The key thing is to to have a base procedure in mind with thought through alternatives
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Old 18 October 2010, 14:26   #14
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I'd switch off - unless there was immenent danger to the craft - and therefore the MOB by not switching off
thats right as far as I'm concerned. No good dragging one into the boat and then drowning everyone on the rocks.
Our dive club never stopped the motor once out at sea in case it wouldnt start - but thats a long time ago and shouldnt be the way now with modern equipment.

My dive buddy had his mask smashed and forehead cut by a propeller that was on the club outboard which was allegedly in neutral. Prop just turning as they often do in neutral was the explanation. Well perhaps it was, perhaps it wasnt but the helm certainly wasnt going to admit to anything that might have been his fault. Impressive scar - he used to crack on it was a duelling scar.
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As current teaching seems to be call in a MOB as a pan-pan - if not a mayday - if the engine doesn't start you can update the pan-pan / mayday.
But the question doesn't just apply to MOB - it applies to divers (as per the OP), skiers/waveboarders/tubers, swimmers as well as dinghy/sailors and windsurfers who may not be in "distress". Mincing a MOB is bad news - but they were already in a life threatening situation; mincing someone who was in the water for fun is really not a good idea.

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It just occurred to me that I unconsciously always recover divers on the stbd side, my binnacle controls are on the port side of the console, I'd have to be dammed unlucky to fall across the helm, take the brakes off & put her into gear by accident.
indeed I was taught if you have the option pick the casualty up on the side away from the controls as then you eliminate the risk (either of you bumping them if their not turned off for some reason or of your crew member stubling against them when moving about the boat to get the casualty). I've seen someone loose balance as a boat came to a stop (they were standing up in front of the console) and instinctively grab the first thing - which happened to be the throttle - fortunately there was noone in the water to get him by a prop.
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the helm certainly wasnt going to admit to anything that might have been his fault.
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As current teaching seems to be call in a MOB as a pan-pan - if not a mayday - if the engine doesn't start you can update the pan-pan / mayday.
On the basis a MOB is in distress (i.e. his life is in danger) then its a Mayday.

Current teaching is Mayday NOT Pan Pan.
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Old 18 October 2010, 17:07   #19
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I always insist the engine is off. My prop still turns in neutral and the edges are well feathered so very sharp.

To retrieve skiers etc

Approach the person in the water so they are abeam. Turn of engine turn the steering to the opposite lock, move the person to the rear where they use the outboard leg as a step to allow entry over the transom.

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Only ever practiced this manouvre. If the person is able we loop the mooring rope to provide a stirrup. If person is unable to use stirrup we loop the mooring line under them in a series of loops and pull them up the side, easy with kids nearly killed three of us hauling my large mate up. Only ever practised with engine off.
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The prop frequently turns esp in cold water when the gear oil is a bit viscous. I generally anchor and turn the engine off, but when I am live boating I still shut down the engine to pick up divers. If I was worried about it not re-starting I would get it repaired or replaced before going out in the first place. If the divers are really close to a lee shore I'd have them swim out to clearer water. If they are incapacitated on a lee shore... there's not much I can do with the boat aground so they still have to swim out.
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