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Old 20 August 2008, 09:09   #1
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"MCA seize lifeboat from Hope Cove"?

Anyone know anything about this? I'm refraining from commenting because I'm assuming these don't tell the full story.
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Old 20 August 2008, 11:05   #2
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I can sympatise with both sides on this one. The MCA presumably couldnt allow a boat that they had not deemed seaworthy to take part in rescue work.

However, it would be very hard for the coasties to stand on the shore and wait for another boat with members of the public asking why they were standing there and not launching.

Very difficult situation to which I dont think there is a right answer.
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Old 20 August 2008, 11:30   #3
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Saw it & wondered the same - what made made it not seaworthy ? If it was a major structural problem I can see it , but I would guess ( & hope ) that it was something minor that deasn't affect the basic worth of the boat . Its impossible to tell what sort of hull it is from the pic ( if its the right pic ! ) . as has been said these breif stories never really give all the info.

To be fair my 4m avon wont tick all the boxes to be classed as a rescue boat , but if its that or nothing - well no choice at all ! For the crew, especailly if they had been using it before without a problem , I cant see they would ever just stand & watch
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Saw it & wondered the same - what made made it not seaworthy ? If it was a major structural problem I can see it , but I would guess ( & hope ) that it was something minor that deasn't affect the basic worth of the boat . Its impossible to tell what sort of hull it is from the pic ( if its the right pic ! ) . as has been said these breif stories never really give all the info.

To be fair my 4m avon wont tick all the boxes to be classed as a rescue boat , but if its that or nothing - well no choice at all ! For the crew, especailly if they had been using it before without a problem , I cant see they would ever just stand & watch
No doubt the guys on the ground at the time [qualified rescue crew] made the right call,and I am equaly sure if it was one of the Horray Henrys of the Health and safety brigades loved ones in trouble they would have comended thier decision also!
Forgoing the lack of integrity almost universily displayed by our sewer press[they sank from the gutter years ago] and agreeing with Nosr,it may not be the whole story...
This type of B.S and P.C B.S is,Im affraid a symptom of the downward plunge of our once great and looked up to nation!
THAT FEELS BETTER! In short the rescuers in my opinion should be commended for showing the type of initiative,and bravery,so valued in the past,and often so lacking in the present!! perhaps the pendulem is begining to swing back.I Hope so!
Roll on the sunhine!!
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Another article here, but essentially the same story.

Seems it was repaired and ready but just awaiting MCA inspection. Why they then have to take yet another 8 weeks to think about it I don't know. As Nos says, perhaps there's more to it than meets the eye.
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Very well said Matthew ! Does sound like there was nothing 'wrong' with the boat , just didn't have the right paperwork to be able to save someones life ! _ i'd still like to get the full story just so I can bristle some more about stupid H&S rules made up by muppets who have never stepped out of the office in more than a light shower ( while getting paid - unlike the majority of rescue boat crews be it RNLI / local etc )
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Old 20 August 2008, 15:53   #7
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I have resently joined the inshore rescue patrol at felixstowe called Voluntere and being a charity we are blessed by not having to abide by the same H&S rules.Although it has to be both safe and Proffessional.(i guess safe is the wrong word)But you know what i mean.i,m sure John Creswell may have heard the true story if it hasnt been posted by sunday I,m sure i will be able to throw some light on the matter
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from what i hear its some of the draconian rules and regulations that have been put in place by the m.c.a. themselves ie, coding
that have made some of there own boats unusable , the boat in question was classed as a general purpose boat which could be used as a rescue boat at times , the casualty was rescued by a surfer as the available rnli life boat would have taken 10 to15 mins to arrive from down the coast,i can well sympathise with the crew to see something unfolding right in front of you ,i would have done the same myself, and not only that the m.c.a if they were that bothered the boat should not have been anywhere near water if there was a risk that someone would be tempted to use it before been checked out . there was an incident in north yorkshire a while ago when a young girl fell down a cliff and was in danger of falling even further to her death ,the local volounter coastie was on scene first and proceded to climb down and attend to her and he saved her life but he was sacked because he should have waited for the rest of the team ,even though he was a local and probely knew the cliffs better than his own back yard .
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I have resently joined the inshore rescue patrol at felixstowe called Voluntere and being a charity we are blessed by not having to abide by the same H&S rules.Although it has to be both safe and Proffessional.(i guess safe is the wrong word)But you know what i mean.i,m sure John Creswell may have heard the true story if it hasnt been posted by sunday I,m sure i will be able to throw some light on the matter
Sorry, you're wrong there.

The MCA have been consulting for years on the Rescue Boat Code - this is close to full implementation, and when brought in will cause problems for many of the independent boats around the country. One of the drivers I believe for Cowes going RNLI was the fact that their boat wouldn't comply with the Code.

As for being a charity, in law you are still considered an "employer" in terms of your obligation to undertake a duty of care towards your "employees", whether paid or voluntary. Trust me, we went through all that years ago when with another indie service and the result was a 120 page Standard Ops Procedure.

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Old 21 August 2008, 10:28   #10
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the MCA's version here:

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga07-...6F0&m=8&y=2008

as I understand it GP boats can be used for rescues but were never intended to be the first line of response to distress situations.

how can the mca expect/demand high standards of maintainence etc from its partner organisations and the public if it doesn't practice what it preaches itself.

given that the boat had been removed from service and not officially put back in service the MCA chain of command was broken. I can see the the MCA management would see it had no choice other than to take more draconian steps to enforce its management decisions.

the press said "the CG officers lost radio contact with their controllers" that sounds to me like they intentionally stopped listening! Again - that is not the approach of a supposedly highly disciplined/structured organisation.

Finally - whilst the press imply that they rescued the girl - they did not - they simply launched and she was already rescued by the public.
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