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Old 26 October 2009, 13:00   #41
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Humbers site states 17 persons for that boat.
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Old 26 October 2009, 14:38   #42
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Humbers site states 17 persons for that boat.
I wouldn't like to put 17 on such a boat. Would you?






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Depends what the conditions were and if the crew were half cut.
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Old 26 October 2009, 16:47   #45
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In an emergency I'd load my boat up as far as I could. If my 4m is 'rated' to 7 - then for me that becomes 10 at a push in the right conditions . On the 7.5m I'd be around 15-20 if pushed.

Just look at the all weather lifeboats - you can get what 100 + ( the exact number escapes me).
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Old 26 October 2009, 16:55   #46
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I think we can have 20 on a 75 plus crew and still make 10kts.
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Old 26 October 2009, 19:15   #47
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my old humber 16 was rated at 10 persons plus 60 hp engine,.though, ,5 was enough ,,with regards to the atlantic 75 your right phil ,and blackroadys correct with the all weather boats but the self righting capability is drastically reduced, with the trent class its 28 persons self righting and 102 non righting .,,,,,,going back to the sad and tradgic incident ,,,as much as mariners these days use g.p.s/ plotters /radar ect its all back down to good old seamanship basics ,,keeping a good lookout and only going as fast as you can see to stop or avoid,and its all too easy to get complacement,
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How dark was it???

One of our Scottish members said it was hard to imagine how dark it gets around the waters where this accident took place. Having cruised in my Westerly Storm for the last 10 seasons between Portrush and Canna, including some overnight sails I can assure you it really does get dark and on a moonless night it is pitch black. At 20 knots without the plotter having had a fix this would have been very scary.

Have a look at this website and click on the leftmost image and it will put things into perspective.

No comments on Scottish frugality allowed BTW :-)

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Old 27 October 2009, 03:36   #49
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I know its a shame when accidents like this happen but if it had been a car that veered off the road for ANY reason and the occupants were under the influence would every one have been as sympathetic?
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One of our Scottish members said it was hard to imagine how dark it gets around the waters where this accident took place. Having cruised in my Westerly Storm for the last 10 seasons between Portrush and Canna, including some overnight sails I can assure you it really does get dark and on a moonless night it is pitch black. At 20 knots without the plotter having had a fix this would have been very scary.

Have a look at this website and click on the leftmost image and it will put things into perspective.

No comments on Scottish frugality allowed BTW :-)

http://www.darkskyscotland.org.uk/darksky.html
it too spent many seasons in the same area in the 80s both with small fast power and sailing craft taking many passages in total darkness and after visiting the local hostilerys,but the prudent use of a look out with hand held spot/search light and keeping speed down was paramount,, also as only dry suits were worn and the crew were not wearing lifejackets/lights would they have been located with an m.o.b situation if it was that dark.,its food for thought for many of us.
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