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Old 05 October 2009, 16:48   #1
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Local Sailing Club - Trial requested by the RIBnet Court

Can I please put the following facts in front of the the RIBnet Jury and ask for advice and an outcome.

1. I receive a request from a friend who works at the local Sailing Club asking for RIBs to hire for a week @ 150 and drivers + crew for the week @ 100 each.

2. I recommended a friend with his RIB and children to crew

3. My friend and 2 of his children work for the week safety boating

4. Payday comes at end of week, sailing club say "sorry we don't pay under 16's"

5. Jono feels very awkward

6. Club still refuses to pay up
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Not sure that I yet feel qualified to be part of the Ribnet Jury but for my two pennies ....

They might not be able to pay under 16's but no reason why they could'nt have "gifted" an equal sum as a thank you surely.

It seems very mean to take advantage of the children and only mention afterwards the policy of not paying - surely if they are "qualified" for the job they are doing the age should'nt matter???
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Old 05 October 2009, 17:10   #3
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Jono,

Presumably the club are quite satisfied that they won't have a problem sourcing ribs/crews next year? Having obviously blown any hope of (1) this years crew helping (2) you helping them find someone.
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Hi Jono

Sorry you have found yourself in this situation.
Having children as crew (under 16) for hire & reward is a sticky one. I would not use or hire myself, as probably not insured to do so.
However, as they seemed happy to use them during the hire period AND did not raise any objection on the day, I think they are morally wrong, if not legally.
As Polwart said, if they cannot find away to pay, without showing children on the invoice, then they are being bloody minded. I would not want any future association

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if the club was that fussy why dident the club say in the first instance that the children wouldent get paid as they are under 16 if thats their policy ,,,instead of leaving it until the end of week and all the work was done ,,,,
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sounds like they are being a bit mean spirited to me, we pay kids as beaters if they are with thier parents and old enough to do a paper round ie. 12-13, they get the same as adults about 25, younger than that i usually just give them a fiver out of my own pocket as a bit of encouragement , the labourshite have been sending the tax bods out a lot more recently though and employing casual labour for a couple of hours is now a right pain in the proverbials
we also stopped offering work experience places for local schools because the hassle and insurance became too much
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Can I please put the following facts in front of the the RIBnet Jury and ask for advice and an outcome.

1. I receive a request from a friend who works at the local Sailing Club asking for RIBs to hire for a week @ 150 and drivers + crew for the week @ 100 each.

2. I recommended a friend with his RIB and children to crew

3. My friend and 2 of his children work for the week safety boating

4. Payday comes at end of week, sailing club say "sorry we don't pay under 16's"

5. Jono feels very awkward

6. Club still refuses to pay up
How much out of pocket are you, on your loss of commission?
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Was it a "proper" safety boat and insured for the job, they may think they can get away with not paying if it wasn't.

Looking at it your mate provided what was asked and is due his money, its upto him whether he pays the kids.
From the clubs point of view I wouldn't be happy if the safety boat consisted of a Dad and his kids.
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How much out of pocket are you, on your loss of commission?
Jono simply put the club in contact with his friend no commission involved.

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Was it a "proper" safety boat and insured for the job, they may think they an get away with not paying if it wasn't.

Looking at it your mate provided what was asked and is due his money, its upto him whether he pays the kids.
From the clubs point of view I wouldn't be happy if the safety boat consisted of a Dad and his kids.
Just to clarify a couple of points as I was involved in safety cover for that week. It wasn't a commercial job that involved coded boats just a large sailing event with Rya Safety Boat qualified crew. There was a total of 14 boats all with qualified crew the boats the kids were on was in addition this. The kids helped out and provided a useful service.

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Jono simply put the club in contact with his friend no commission involved.
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