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Old 06 October 2009, 16:10   #41
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People - 100 for the week / 20 per day and lunch

No mention of qualifications / ages / ability
So the 'people' were expected to do what ? , in your understanding ?
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Turn up have lunch and go home!
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Old 06 October 2009, 16:43   #43
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so were they experienced at all ?
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so were they experienced at all ?
Your taking the biscuit now mate, they were kids and have a pack lunch every day, of course they were experienced in eating sandwiches!
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Your taking the biscuit now mate, they were kids and have a pack lunch every day, of course they were experienced in eating sandwiches!
Nah .. just trying to establish some facts .. some folks still refer to 19 year olds as kids, but Jono did say 'children' .. anyhoo .. whatever .. still .. my earlier post stands

Were experienced crew expected then ?,.. which is what the 'hirer' was expecting ?
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All helms were Qualified and Experienced

In this case the crew (kids) were experienced dinghy sailors and hold a Level 2 PB.

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OK Jono, So whats the purpose of the thread?

Posting here won't get the kids their money.
Their dad was alegedly happy enough at the time, and if he's not been in touch with the club chasing this - then why stir it up?

The club has pissed you off / let you down - so you won't be helping them next year.

The learning point is obvious - make sure both sides understand what is expected of them.

So what's your hope/expectation for the thread?
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So what's your hope/expectation for the thread?
I'm still going to get the money from the club for the kids.

The purpose of the thread, Well I'm always amazed with threads like this, they always highlight different peoples views and different routes to tackle the problem.

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In this case the crew (kids) were experienced dinghy sailors and hold a Level 2 PB.

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So apart from their ages, which may be a technicality, they had some useful experience already, so were able to provide bona fide help.

I think the club sound really mean, and are trying to get out of paying using any cheap trick they can

If I was in their shoes and felt really strongly about their ages, I would have paid it, and had a word afterwards about it .. thereby keeping good faith, as I believe that is important, and as I said,.. the job got done, and they got their cover after all.

Unless they specified the training level of every crew member beforehand, part of the fault is theirs as I see it or at least perhaps they should accept the consequences of not doing so... IMVVHO

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I still think they should be paid . I think alot of sailing clubs use members who have no qualification to man safety boats . I can think of at least 3 off the top of my head that do & a rowing club also .

There does not seem to be any requirement from the sailing club for them to hold certain qualifications - if they had that need they shoudl have checked them all out at the time - likewise if they needed coded boats.

If I had flipped my hobie when I was younger I would have welcomed ANY boat with a bit of sense along side if I was in trouble - not just a coded one with qualified crew.
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