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Old 09 May 2013, 04:54   #71
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As a commercial user of many boats including a very fast rib, I would much prefer that there is a mandatory test, or competency course with recreational users 'encouraged' to use kill cords etc. Please don't impose blanket rules on experienced operators, or try to have them enforced by inexperienced wet behind the ears kids who haven't been alive as long as I have been afloat, without serious accident or injury I may add, oh and while you are at it, yacht club rescue ribs speeding through other clubs anchorages... now there's a topic that spills my pimms!
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Old 09 May 2013, 05:51   #72
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For Legeslation

Powerboat Level 2 should be made the compulsory course for use of powerboats in the UK. The MCA would need to endorse the qualification just as the Yacht Master is issued on behalf of the MCA.

Since many people have already got a PBL2 who are experienced operators this would not present an issue and for new boaters this would also change very little as PBL2 is many peoples first step.

I also believe that a vessel fitted with more than 150 HP presents a larger danger than some smaller less powerful vessels. extra layers of training/competence should be required for these vessels.

Those of you who believe you cannot benefit from a little training ought to look long and hard at themselves!

It could be policed by harbour authorities, police marine units, fire units and dockyard police all of which have varying presence in different ports.

I would also be in favour of compulsory fit of kill cords to all open vessels capable of exceeding 7 knots (so as to exclude diesel launches vessels engaged in towing etc) and all vessels with outboards.

Insurance is compulsory in many ports anyway I don't think a national scheme to identify insured vessels would be a bad idea at all, however once it is made compulsory the cost I am sure would rise significantly.

Just as life jackets are useless unless worn so are kill cords. Signage and good practice are the only measures your can use to protect others and yourself. It should be socially unacceptable to not wear one and users who are not should be pulled up by authorities and significant on the spot fines imposed.

I believe lifejackets should also be compulsory

legislation will not effect anyone who is already operating their vessel in a safe, sensible and effective manor already.
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Old 09 May 2013, 05:53   #73
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As a commercial user of many boats including a very fast rib, I would much prefer that there is a mandatory test, or competency course with recreational users 'encouraged' to use kill cords etc. Please don't impose blanket rules on experienced operators, or try to have them enforced by inexperienced wet behind the ears kids who haven't been alive as long as I have been afloat, without serious accident or injury I may add, oh and while you are at it, yacht club rescue ribs speeding through other clubs anchorages... now there's a topic that spills my pimms!
And there's the issue.
You simply won't get one without the other.
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Just a thought. You guys do know that you can have wireless kill switches. Move too far from the module and your boat stops. Just keep the fob in you're pocket
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Just a thought. You guys do know that you can have wireless kill switches. Move too far from the module and your boat stops. Just keep the fob in you're pocket
I don't think the kind of person who'd have a wireless kill switch is the problem though. Lets face it, those who'd buy one are those that'd wear the killcord anyway. Most people (certainly the likes of those that got prop injuries in the Dory in St Austell bay) aren't going to cough up that kind of money.
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Old 09 May 2013, 06:38   #76
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As a commercial user of many boats including a very fast rib, I would much prefer that there is a mandatory test, or competency course with recreational users 'encouraged' to use kill cords etc. Please don't impose blanket rules on experienced operators, or try to have them enforced by inexperienced wet behind the ears kids who haven't been alive as long as I have been afloat, without serious accident or injury I may add!
So regulate other people but not you!

I suspect there are plenty of 'salty old sea dogs' who think they know better and are part of the problem... oh look here's one:

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And then Mercury users (if like the last two I have owned) will have a greater risk of injuring people from false emergency stops because the kill cord toggle switch is too sensitive. I gave up using mine for this reason. I had to balance risk of no kill chord against using one which caused it's own dangers. So now only briefed 'trusted' crew go near the throttle/helm. I make it quite clear to everyone the dangers and get quite 'shirty' with people on the boat who don't listen or head the warnings. Kill chords in my experience solve one problem but can create another - they are not the holy grail in my view (for Mercury anyway)
Not sure why you are having a problem must be the length of cord / where you attach it / where the switch is located as the mercury mechanism itself is not over sensitive from my experience.

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in my opinion,it is very hard to "forget" to put your kill cord on,when im in my boat i am fully aware of what is going on in my immediate area (ie dash,console for a rib)and i find hard to believe that when your under way you wouldnt notice a bright red cord bouncing up and down reminding you to put it on.
I think different dash layouts and ergonomics can easily mean that the cord is not bouncing up and down in your eye line. Certainly I would only see it if I was not looking where I am going!
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Killcord attached to lifejacket

I've ordered sufficient GENUINE Suzuki killcords such that there's a killcord for each of us and they will be attached permanently to our individual life jackets. For us, and I know it's personal, hand attachment of the killcord gets in the way and around the leg makes the cord too short. Fastened to the life jacket crutch strap works great. I'm sure others, with different boat configurations, will apply a different plan, and successfully.

But, I think I'll consider them as spares and in-case-of's and keep with our existing notion that the boat itself has a kill cord - the working killcord if you like - that gets clipped to whomever is helming. Otherwise, I have to stop the engine at sea if I want to change the helmsman at sea??? Don't fancy that myself: balance of risks and all that.

In this way, whatever happens to the helmsman and whatever happens to his killcord, the next up to the helm has a killcord ready.

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"I also believe that a vessel fitted with more than 150 HP presents a larger danger than some smaller less powerful vessels. extra layers of training/competence should be required for these vessels. "

Why? Isn't speed and safety the issue rather than power? Smaller lighter boat with 100hp is far faster than large boat with 200hp, more twitchy at speed, smaller tubes, lower freeboard, and less stable at rest. The smaller boat probably presents more danger IMO.

Ill informed blanket statements like this are the sort output we can expect from government agencies if more regulation is introduced.
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Legislation removes Common Sense and responsibility

We here at PBR are responding to this on-going oversight on the part of boat owners and operators by taking the initiative to issue white on red console dashboard warning stickers[/QUOTE]

With a nice advert for PBR at the bottom and I bet they won't last more than a couple of outings.

PBR is also in favour of a UK mandatory licence of basic competency[/QUOTE]
I've driven in countries where licences of basic competency are required. Firstly they are BASIC. Second, having got their bit of paper everything degenerates to the lowest level of competency required. Good seamanship, Common Sense and a sense of responsibility for themselves and others are lost.

We shall be pushing hard for such legal requirements to be made[/QUOTE] is an act of gross irresponsibility. Instead we need to educate and encourage. Rules for safety of life at sea already exist and apply to all.

I am involved in outdoor activities for young people and the regulations require a Risk Assessment be done. For many, this means that an evening is spent doing a Risk Assessment exercise which is then filed as proof of all requirements having been met ready for the subsequent court case. Risk Assessment shouldn't be just a piece of paper but a frame of mind continually applied throughout the activity. Similarly, safety afloat isn't to be found in a licence but in good seamanship, common sense and taking responsibility.

Britainís Best Value Powerboating Magazine[/QUOTE] should be ashamed of this knee jerk reaction, or worse still, attempt to use a tragedy to promote itself.
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I also believe that a vessel fitted with more than 150 HP presents a larger danger than some smaller less powerful vessels.
Come stick your arm in my 90 HP or I'm sure I can find a 9.9 I can borrow and you can stick your leg in there?!

I've seen people fall out of tenders with 2hp, that could kill you just as fast as a 350hp

A lump of metal wizzing round at 100's RPM + is going to make a mess of any flesh and bone.
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