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Old 24 December 2002, 17:28   #11
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I'm fully in agreement with Matiboy's suggestion. What's surprising is that this ISN'T part of the RYA syllabus - to the best of my knowledge, they recommend NOT starting the engine once there's anyone in the water, but I don't agree. I think that a well informed crew with the means to control the boat under power would present a better chance of survival to both those in the water and those drifting in the disabled boat. And this means having a spare kill-cord.
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Old 24 December 2002, 18:31   #12
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Re: Re: Equally important

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anyone fitted a second kill cord for passengers and what are the thoughts on this. I have recently bought one and intend to fit it for when it's really rough, at teh moment i am constantly looking over my sholder to check crew is still there! I am considering putting a 'by-pass' switch in though so i can restart the engine quickly should crew depart with their kill cord.
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What a good idea! Although personally I would rather the passenger kill switches flash a light/sound a buzzer than kill the engine, especially when itís rough.

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Having the spare killcord actually attached on a short line to the console near the starter key would be usefull
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You could always have a few, one out for easy access and the other in the spares box. I was thinking of making my passenger wear a kill cord in rough weather so that they only need to connect it to the switch. It would save time getting the spare out and stop the temptation of just flicking the kill switch without attaching a spare.
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Old 24 December 2002, 18:47   #13
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flicking the kill switch without attaching a spare.
Daniel(2), i thought you had a new(ish) engine - do the Merc control boxes still allow this? What a silly idea it really is, so many 'speed boaters' don't even know what or where a kill cord goes.

I like the idea of a warning rather than killing the engine, i already have a warning lamp connected to the engine buzzer 'coz i can never hear the buzzer, and a second connected to the depth/fuel warning 'coz i can't hear that either - a third connected to my 'passenger' is quite a good idea BUT is there any better chance of survival of a passenger if the engine is killed as he enters the water???

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Daniel(2), i thought you had a new(ish) engine - do the Merc control boxes still allow this? What a silly idea it really is, so many 'speed boaters' don't even know what or where a kill cord goes.
Yep, I have a 2002 merc with the standard Quicksilver remote unit and it just has a little switch. Its fine for the sensible boaters, in fact itís quite handy because you could use any thin rope as a kill cord. But the idiotís among us can just switch it to the on position and forget about it.

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The idea of a passenger kill cord seems on the face of it to be a reasonable idea, however I think that the natural movement up and down the sponsons, if seats are not in use, would make it a bit difficult, but for seated thrill seekers, an idea. Not sure I would want an engine cut out if a passenger fell off, but a warning signal maybe a good idea. Worth wxploring as an idea.


As for other matters raised on this thread, my boat carries a spare in the safety bucket AND all regular crew have a kill cord each. I was "taught" that the KC is a piece of personal kit, just like the buoyancy aid.

I seem to recall a few years ago, British Leyland made a car with a nagging voice to remind drivers to put on their seat belt, maybe we could have something similar on boats, or is this just to much nannyism in a coutry overburdened by such. If anyone develops this idea, rememeber you read it here first.

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Old 27 December 2002, 12:25   #16
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A secondary purpose i failed to mention is that when instructing i can wear the 2nd kill cord hece being able to kill the engine from the back of the jockey seat.

I think the solution, for me at least, is to have it kill the engine but fit an override switch. The override switch should illuminate a light.

My only issue with this is it goes against my KISS approach to marine wiring - Keep It Simple Stupid, and is just asking for corrosing to get in there and eat away at such a critical circuit as the main ignition to the engine!

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I always make my crew (14 year old son) wear a spare on his life jacket.

He also took the Level 2 course with me, and although he can't have a certificate, I'm confident that he could start it up and toddle round to pick the old man up out of the drink.

It came in handy last w/e when I found some joker had removed the killcord from the rib parked on the drive, the night before we were safetyboating for the local dinghies - Not many chandlers open at 9am on Sunday am!

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although he can't have a certificate
Why? I issue Level 2 certificates to under 16's and endorse it with "Little Jonny must be directly supervised by an adult untill the age of 16"

As far as i am aware there is no official rule from the RYA about this - prehaps the teaching establishment you took the course at were quite caucious??

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Thanks for your reply Daniel.

I will take it up with the RYA.

The instructor actually commented that my son was far better at low speed handling than me!
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The instructor actually commented that my son was far better at low speed handling than me!
I quite beleive that - many younger (like 11 - 16) 'students' master low speed stuff quicker!

Let me know the outcome if you investigate it - i may be doing it wrong!

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