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Old 16 April 2011, 07:54   #1
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How do you dispose of your out of date flares?

With various restrictions imposed by the coastguard, I'm curious to know how most people dispose of their out of date flares, if at all; talking to people recently there are a lot of OOD flares in a lot of garages!!
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Old 16 April 2011, 08:19   #2
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I am quite lucky as I live near one of the designated CG sites. Go on line and fined your nearest one, also some boat jumbles are encorporating a disposal en-site worth a check.
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there are a lot of OOD flares in a lot of garages!!
The proper TLA is TEP, time expired pyrotechnics.

Generally flares do not become unstable with age, they become less reliable should you come to fire one.

Some police stations take them, some lifeboat stations take them too, but always call first as it can freak them out if they are not used to it.

IMHO The best way remains making sure your chandler will take old ones when you buy new ones from them. It is the flare manufacturer that ought to take responsibility, if a retailer will not take TEP when you are buying replacements let them know that you will go elsewhere.
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I did what the previous owner of my old boat did with his time expired flares and gave them away with the old boat when I sold it

As for flares on the new boat ... I have been looking into it recently and the cost of getting flares here is probably going to be prohibitive so the answer is I probably won't have any. All down to stupid, ridiculous HSE regulations for shipping something that every sodding cargo ship on the planet already has on board!!
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The proper TLA is TEP, time expired pyrotechnics.

Generally flares do not become unstable with age, they become less reliable should you come to fire one.

Some police stations take them, some lifeboat stations take them too, but always call first as it can freak them out if they are not used to it.

IMHO The best way remains making sure your chandler will take old ones when you buy new ones from them. It is the flare manufacturer that ought to take responsibility, if a retailer will not take TEP when you are buying replacements let them know that you will go elsewhere.
Indeed, however the hazardous classification for TEPs increases the second they become out of date (in other words they become more hazardous).

Do people on here generally find that it's quite easy to get rid of them - do you find that most chandleries will take them back?
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In the Autumn the RNLI visited the RN section at school and did a flare demo for us. We all set off a variety of flares, and it was really illuminating.

Seriously though, setting off a flare is not as easy as you think; obviously you take off the cap at either end point it at the sky and pull the trigger, but wind direction and angles are something that I think need a couple of goes before you know how to do it right. When our flares go out of date I will urge GD to attend an RNLI flare meeting (like the one we did, I think they are done for the public too though) so that he can set off some flares and get a little practice. After all, the more times you do it the more familiar you get with it and therefore the less likely you are to panic when trying to do it in an emergency situation.
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I did what the previous owner of my old boat did with his time expired flares and gave them away with the old boat when I sold it
ooh, I must be due a boat upgrade.

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As for flares on the new boat ... I have been looking into it recently and the cost of getting flares here is probably going to be prohibitive so the answer is I probably won't have any. All down to stupid, ridiculous HSE regulations for shipping something that every sodding cargo ship on the planet already has on board!!
Perhaps one of the visiting vessels could be persuaded to leave some behind on the dock? Maybe if you left a crate of beer on the dock you might find the boxes got mixed up?
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In the Autumn the RNLI visited the RN section at school and did a flare demo for us. We all set off a variety of flares, and it was really illuminating.

Seriously though, setting off a flare is not as easy as you think; obviously you take off the cap at either end point it at the sky and pull the trigger, but wind direction and angles are something that I think need a couple of goes before you know how to do it right. When our flares go out of date I will urge GD to attend an RNLI flare meeting (like the one we did, I think they are done for the public too though) so that he can set off some flares and get a little practice. After all, the more times you do it the more familiar you get with it and therefore the less likely you are to panic when trying to do it in an emergency situation.
I'd be interested to hear what the official line of the RYA and the RNLI is with regards using out of date flares for training/demos (perhaps someone in the know on here can enlighten me). As I've already mentioned, the hazardous classification of a TEP changes when it goes out of date. There was also an incident a few years ago where a chap was doing some sort of RYA course and ended up with very nasty burns I believe to the face after a flare went wrong in his hands. I think it would make an "interesting" case if there was some sort of accident and it turned out the flares being used were out of date.
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I'd be interested to hear what the official line of the RYA and the RNLI is with regards using out of date flares for training/demos (perhaps someone in the know on here can enlighten me). As I've already mentioned, the hazardous classification of a TEP changes when it goes out of date. There was also an incident a few years ago where a chap was doing some sort of RYA course and ended up with very nasty burns I believe to the face after a flare went wrong in his hands. I think it would make an "interesting" case if there was some sort of accident and it turned out the flares being used were out of date.
Agreed. We have used TEP flares for practice in the past however I would only do this at an official meeting (RN CCF/RNLI etc) it is surely illegal to set off any form of pyrotechnic without notifying the relevant authorities? (bear in mind this is more important for us being in the mountains)
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Agreed. We have used TEP flares for practice in the past however I would only do this at an official meeting (RN CCF/RNLI etc) it is surely illegal to set off any form of pyrotechnic without notifying the relevant authorities? (bear in mind this is more important for us being in the mountains)
Sorry, I should have been more specific; I'm curious to know what their stance is regarding the use of TEPs for demos - assuming the demo is properly organised at a training centre etc as opposed to someone just letting them off!
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