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Old 21 December 2005, 05:14   #31
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ey up lad Komitee has spoken! but I guess the reaon for the rool change might be this statement from the MCA.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4180590.stm

I am interested in your comments Jon , as they make some sense to me, however last time I looked Zap cats were all running round in Bike type helmets as were the four stroke nobbers and most other racers.

I guess you can have it both ways it's either a broken neck or a fractured skull!

reminds me of a scene from Yes PM where hacker was prepping for broadcast and asked whether or not he should were specs

Humphrey said on you look dilligent and harsh off you look casual and honest

Hacker says I'd like to look dilligeent and honest

humphrey says it's one or the other I am afraid PM

Bernard pipes up with a classic phrase "what about a monocle"
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Old 21 December 2005, 05:18   #32
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Having read and looked into the K class accident and the resulting MIAB it would seem it was thought that the problem was that the "one size fits all" covered children as well.
Which it did not.
I know that Gecko have now removed this statment.

This would seem a knee jerk reaction if it only down to this.

The motor cycle spec IMHO is wrong for marine use.
There is already, I understand, a BS spec for marine helmets but hey what do I know I am just superradioman!
If I was racing I would be jumping up and down over this!

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ey up lad Komitee has spoken!
Stu, I know you only meant this as a joke but just so there are no misconceptions, the BIBOA safety officer was reporting a decision taken by the RYA. The BIBOA general committee did not take part in the decision-making process, although some BIBOA members are racers and so may have been involved at some stage. I don't know enough about the racing side of things to comment further.
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it would seem it was thought that the problem was that the "one size fits all" covered children as well.
I agree that this was one of the main concerns but not the only one: the following is quoted from the report which states that the Gecko helmet "was not designed for those partaking in high speed powerboat racing, and does not have the impact protection recommended by the RYA for headgear used in that activity."

P.S. I'm not trying to knock Gecko - Richard and I both use them and think they're great! But then we don't race round at 70mph+!
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Just for info, how many hard boat racing nobburs have broken their necks due to their helmet?
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Just for info, how many hard boat racing nobburs have broken their necks due to their helmet?
Good point generally a lot of these so called safety concerns are based on one or two events (lost crowns) and really are the exception as opposed to the rule.
It seems to be the current mania in the UK of worrying about and legislating against smaller and smaller risks and we all loose because of it
The introduction of the compulsory use of seat belts reduced road deaths by about 400 per year (and 7000 injuries p/a) which was significant, but only 22 people drowned in boating related activates (ROSPA 2002). And Iím sure that not all of those had head injuries the risk is so small that it isnít worth worrying about
When I look at my life my biggest risk is jumping in the car followed by having a heart-attack (itís me age)so Iím going to buy one of these and stay at home Des
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NOT really

I ain't gonna be kissing you Des!

Matt Didier Peroni didn't he die from impact injuries in a race

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Stu, I know you only meant this as a joke but just so there are no misconceptions, the BIBOA safety officer was reporting a deceision taken by the RYA. The BIBOA general committee did not take part in the decision-making process, although some BIBOA members are racers and so may have been involved at some stage. I don't know enough about the racing side of things to comment further.
Hi Louise, no joke about the komitee , not aimed at BIBOA just komitees in general. I can't really comment on BIBOA as I am not, and am unlikely to be, a member (especially after this post )

Don't forget, at heart, I'm a non conforming renegade, which is why I took to the water, for the freedom it offered so organised things don't do a lot for me!


Moving back to thehHelmets, Jon am not, for once, I am in agreement with you (well it is the seaon of goodwill ) but there is definitely a need for a helemet that doesn't break your neck and lets you survive a fifty MPH impact with a steering wheel. If the RNLI use Gecko's then presumably they have been tested and approved to 35 knots ish.

These bloody Americans can start a war anywhere can't they!
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Not what you said last night

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....Don't forget, at heart, I'm a non conforming renegade,....
But you are conforming to worrying about nothing which is the current mass hysteria in the UK What happened to all the drugs you could take, a fast bike, no helmet and the open road

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....but there is definitely a need for a helemet that doesn't break your neck .....
It really isnít an issue if you can only think of one person who might have broken their neck How many people do you know who have had car accidents Yet you donít say we should have cars that donít crash Des
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I think it is a major worry.
There were only 22 boating related deaths, thank god.
Still 22 to many.
Compared the huge number of road deaths its great info but...

would you want to wear a helmet that could have the potential to snap your neck like a twig if you went into the water at speed?

I know I would not and am sure many other feel the same.

We may just have been lucky so far that the right, if that's the best choice of words, crash has not happened to cause death by head injury or bucketing.
I don't want to be the first, not the best thing to have on your tomb stone.

Whilst it wonderful for Stu and I to be in agreement I don't want to kiss him either!

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