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Old 06 June 2006, 13:15   #11
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Maybe as stupid question

With the exception of theft insurance why is insurances needed? Or is this just insurance company brainwashing?
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With the exception of theft insurance why is insurances needed? Or is this just insurance company brainwashing?
Insurance is needed in the following circumstances:
  • Theft
  • Fire
  • Sinking
  • Accidental damage (e.g. collision, or grounding)
  • Some (or all?) policies will cover salvage costs for sinking/grounding etc where necessary
  • 3rd party cover in case you kill, or injure anyone on your own boat
  • 3rd party cover in case you kill, or injure anyone in/on the water (e.g. in another boat, swimmer or skier) - note some policies exclude or limit cover if you are towing
  • 3rd party cover to pay for repairing damage you cause to others boats when afloat
  • damage to your boat when it is on a trailer being towed.
Some waterways/slipways will require third party insurance under local bye laws.
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Hi Polly

Yes, I know all that stuff. You state that it is "needed" and I asked the question WHY. Are you by any chance in the insurance business? Perhaps I should get insurance for crossing the street, eating at a restaurant, or taking my dog for a walk. I am sure you get my point. The rich insurance companys make their money by telling the public they are going to loose their assets, get sued or die. How do other folks feel about this???. A few years ago I asked my local doctor if we should pay for "long term care insurance" His response was" if you get a terminal problem then kill yourself, it is a hell of a lot cheaper and only makes a difference of a year or so, most of which will be very uncompfortable. Good advice, I think.
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I don't have insurance on my boat because nobody here does insurance on small privately owned boats and while I could have arranged it, it was going to be b****y expensive and require a full annual survey of the boat which was going to be even more b****y expensive!

At the end of the day if it blows away in a hurricane then "oops" put it down to experience and start saving. Not sure I could live with "oops" if it was a 40 grand Scorpion though
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Yes, I know all that stuff. You state that it is "needed" and I asked the question WHY. Are you by any chance in the insurance business? Perhaps I should get insurance for crossing the street, eating at a restaurant, or taking my dog for a walk. I am sure you get my point. The rich insurance companys make their money by telling the public they are going to loose their assets, get sued or die. How do other folks feel about this???. A few years ago I asked my local doctor if we should pay for "long term care insurance" His response was" if you get a terminal problem then kill yourself, it is a hell of a lot cheaper and only makes a difference of a year or so, most of which will be very uncompfortable. Good advice, I think.
I have no involvement with the insurance industry, other than as a customer.

You don't need insurance if you can afford to loose the boat without thinking afterwards - i should have paid that insurance... in some cases where the boat is bought on finance it will either be a requirement or just plain common sense. My boat was by no means expensive in terms of many people on here, but there is no way I could afford to replace it if it was stolen, sunk, burnt etc. Is it worth paying £250/year. I think so.

There is the third party aspect; and I would say there are two different aspects. You cause an accident and damage someone else's vessel: Even relatively small yachts/hardboats could have a total loss heading towards 100,000. Whilst the possibility that I cause such an accident is low (touch wood) to say it is non existent is just stupid. There is also the possibility that someone else has an accident driving my boat. What would happen if I had no insurance. Potentially the other vessels owner/insurer sues me, bankrupts me and I loose my house etc. Is £250/year a sensible precaution - I think so.

The other aspect is am I concerned about one of my own passengers or anyone I am pulling in a toy etc suing me following an accident. I think the answer here is no - however that is easy to say when the prospect is only hypothetical. My friends and family that make up my crew might be less likely to be understanding if I just minced them in the prop. If I was in the US I would definitely be worried.

Another reason I have insurance is that there are lots of other water users out there who dont! And I suspect they tend to be the clueless ones too - so when one of them rights off my boat it won't be me who pays.

Personally I would encourage a requirement for all water users to have compulsory 3rd party cover the way we have on the roads.

I guess car insurance is a good analogy. When I had a 300 quid old banger and zero no claims bonus I had third party cover (If I remember rightly it was third party only - not even third party fire and theft!) and it cost as much as the car. Now its a no brainer that our cars (similar value to my rib) are covered with fully comprehensive insurance.

SO no I don't think the insurance industry is spinning us a line regarding rib insurance. I do think with people like Porthcawl you get reasonable value for money. is it needed - I think it is, unless you are particularly wealthy or have a particularly cheap boat - and even then I would be inclined to go for 3rd party cover.
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With the exception of theft insurance why is insurances needed? Or is this just insurance company brainwashing?

Totally as Polwart has stated… At a guess also why it looks like the vast majority of us have insured our boats.

They are as a rule expensive bit of kit in an often unkind, changeable environment.
In close proximity to other expensive floating things.
3rd party risks are plain to see.
Common sense prevailing a couple of hundred quid is a small price to pay.
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