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Old 15 September 2010, 10:45   #11
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My point is, have some of us gone too far for what is perhaps in many occasions just a wee trip by the shore, easily done in a sib, where not much danger could occur. Bit like the fully kitted out snorkeling, off roading discovery with winch and knobbly tyres to do the school run. [/QUOTE]

paul, you should always be ready for the unexpected in my book

on another note you must have a bloody long lunch hour

have you took over from JSP and KNOTYET (anyone know whats happened to them )
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I don't think it's just your H&S; more a sign of the times.

Over here, when I was a kid (I'll be 50 in a couple of weeks) we used to: climb trees in vacant lots, have dirt clod wars, play with firecrackers, ride bikes for miles without helmets, ride in cars without child carseats or seatbelts, play tackle football without padding or helmets; lots of things that kids now don't do.

Seems that it takes only one event to spawn a whole new safety religion. Good exampe is the new push to ban aluminum bats in baseball: a 14 year old kid pitching took a line drive to the head, and all of a sudden aluminum bats are evil and dangerous, despite just about every little league, grade school, jr high school, high school, and college team using them for the past 30 years. Granted, he probably wasn't the only injury, but still millions of bats in a sport with a fast moving moving ball; can you really pin all those on the bat? If it was so dangerous, why'd it take 30 years? But it's still happening.

Point is, one event that could have been prevented by something will now cause a movement to require whatever could have prevented that injury. With the rapid dissemination of information (i.e the web and net in general) people amass ammunition for these campaigns much more quickly, so I think it will get worse before it gets better.

Personally, I go for a common sense approach and more of a risk management method of judging: Use what safety equipment you want, but if you get hurt or killed for lack of something, expect people to be at least unsympathetic.

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Old 15 September 2010, 13:44   #13
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The RNLI's 2009 statistics are here:

http://www.rnli.org.uk/assets/downlo...Statistics.pdf

The info you probably want is page 12 - top of the list is machinery failure, but there is a whole range of others.

Also interesting, the peak number of launches occurs in a force 3, and the vast majority are in a force 3 or below.

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Old 15 September 2010, 15:42   #14
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WOW great RNLI statistics !

Power / pleasure craft 24% of casualties
Commercial / MOD 2%

Seen LOTs of comments and posts on here about "cowboy" operators, but statistic clearly show having the qualifications means they are ten tinme less likely to need the RNLI !
IMO the sooner the legal requirements from trainig and qualifications the better !

SO here starts another discussion........................................ ......
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have you took over from JSP and KNOTYET (anyone know whats happened to them )
I reckon JSP, Knot Yet and Codprawn have all united to become willk
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cheers chris makes v interesting reading and you can see all that the rnli do. Will have a longer peruse shortly.

Interestingly, 49 call outs to motor vehicles stuck in the sea!!! Bloody hell. Makes the mind think of the circumstances. Most probably launching i suppose and getting stuck.
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I wonder whether the need for the extra H&S isn't a result of the ease at which people can have a go at anything with little or no training, or for that matter any care for their own or other's safety.

It's easy to buy a boat, a strimmer, a 4x4, a insert item here and go and think you know how to use it because you've seen it on telly, or the web. Because information and availablilty of products is so easily found in the public domain, some people need to be protected from themselves as much as others. Disposable income is generally far greater than it used to be, and people place far more interest and emphasis on their quest for entertainment and personal enjoyment. Can you imagine how bored kids of today would be if TV's or PC's suddenly weren't available? There's also the attitude of 'well it doesn't matter if it goes wrong, I will either get rescued or be able to blame someone later so it's not my problem'
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Interestingly, 49 call outs to motor vehicles stuck in the sea!!! Bloody hell. Makes the mind think of the circumstances. Most probably launching i suppose and getting stuck.
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I think JSP and knot yet sold their boats didn't they. Codprawn Other posts would intimate he is either gathering useless detailed knowledge of everything, or moving sh*t on pallets.
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