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Old 26 March 2004, 04:11   #11
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Aspirin is also vital to give during or before a suspected heart attack.
... and a hang over
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Old 26 March 2004, 04:12   #12
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Hi Jono
i would like to see what you come up with, and pinch as many ideas as possible, Peter White is doing something similar with the St Johns it would be good to see if it would be worth extending the RYA 1st aid at sea to two days one of theory and one of practical
on the boats (various if possible)so students get some hands on scenarios .rather than comfy classrooms.
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Old 29 March 2004, 07:19   #13
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Hi folks

a few more items for you first aid kit

cling film, with gaffer tape or insulation tape.
cold packs
tubigrip elastic stocking
Idoine spray (savlon spray)
Eye patchs, 2 off min
triangular bandage.
scissors shound be "tough scissors" which can cut think fabric, boots etc.

I would not carry codine & paraceamol mixed
carry paracetamol & ibuprofen, they can be used together upto typically 1000mg paracetamol & 600mg ibuprofen ( max adults)
You still need to carry asprin though but these should not be mixed with ibuprofen.

As far as water goes it should be sterile water.

Think this covers whats in my first aid kit that can be bought over the counter, the rest wont be easily available.

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Old 29 March 2004, 07:38   #14
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Just a question.

How big a first aid kit suppose to be on a RIB?

My 1st aid kit is a small box bought from BOOTS (measures 23cm x 15cm x 7cm) with a few things that I put in it such as:

savlon dry anticeptic spray,
savlon cream (is good for sunburns too),
germoline,
aspirin and paracetamol,
a few bandages (non woven triangular bandanges 96cm x 96cm x 135cm),
a few plasters (various sizes),
tape,
latex examinatiion gloves,
melolin adhesive,
sterile gauze swabs bp,
a small pair of seasors
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I know the bloke doing Jono Gartons first aid course, and he really is and excellent lifesaver and very experienced guy. I definitely am a great believer in being taught by an expert and am going to redo my course with them.

I am a bit concerned about the advice to distribute and administer aspirin and anti hystimene. Whilst there are lawyers in this country I would never offer anybody a tablet. (unless a doctor was telling me to do it).

The first aid on the actual boat idea makes sense to me
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I am a bit concerned about the advice to distribute and administer aspirin and anti hystimene.
Antihistamene cream is good for stings (wasp, jelly fish, scorpion fish, dragon fish, pine rush etc etc). Also there are sticks that you can apply on bites. And is better to do that rather than pee on a jelly fish sting or a wasp sting (women don't like fresh wee). People use antihistamene cream for rushes and any type of skin irretations although I have found that SAVLON does a similar job. Tablets I don't know, although we have used them when family gets pine rushes but make everyone feel drawsy. Prefer the cream.

Amonia sticks are also availiable (they do the same job as a pee). Cannot see the reason for not using any of those and in case you didn't know, you do not need a doctor's persctiprion - in the UK - to buy any of those by the way

When one uses medicine one needs to have common sence!

Aspirin is even good for preventing heart attacks. So far no one has died from taking aspirin!
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Old 29 March 2004, 08:08   #17
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Just some thoughts

For those who ever wondered VSMM on my signature stands for:-
Voluntry Services Medical Medal (basically a long service medal)

I have spent more years than I care to remember with both The British Red Cross and now the St John. (ok since I was 13!)

I am an instructor with C & G Qualification (NVQ C23,24 D 32, 33)

When not playing on boats i can be found at Brands Hatch as part of the medical team there.

Ok now we have done me credentials here are my thoughts:-

Only take what you can use.

A basic boat or Boots kit would be fine (maybe the motorist type kits.) most should these day's carry a pocket mask or face shield for doing mouth to mouth.

If you need anything more than is in there you should be getting the emergency services involved ASAP.
Call them, you can alway stand them down if you manage to get things under control.
If it needs more than a plaster it will need hospital attention.
If you your bleeding badly shock will set in even quicker in a cold wet boat!

Having said that my kit has extra things like airways and bag and mask for resus only because I am used to and can use them.

As someone said better to have a doctor with no kit than a lorry driver with a mobile hospital well unless he is a part time medic!

Just IMHO.

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I am a bit concerned about the advice to distribute and administer aspirin and anti hystimene. Whilst there are lawyers in this country I would never offer anybody a tablet. (unless a doctor was telling me to do it)

unless you are carrying cat c medical kit then its not advisable to administer any lotions or potions we are not medicalyqualified to administer drugs, the RYA basic one day first aid at sea is an excellent course to do.unless you are medicaly trained i would steer clear of administeering any form of drug (think allergic reactions)
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Old 29 March 2004, 17:31   #19
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good call

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Would have to agree there.
All pills should be for own use only (or direct family members)
Would never suggest offering any other lotions or potions.

You could find yourself in all kinds of grief if you "give" someone a pill or potion and they have a bad reation.

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I am sorry but I would far rather take the risk and give someone aspirin if they are having a heart attack - or anti histamine to prevent anaphylactic shock - rather than stand aside and watch them die!!!!

A conscience is a hell of a thing to have to live with.......

Obviously other drugs have to be treated with extreme caution but aspirin and anti histamines are very safe - anyway it wouldn't hurt to ASK the patient first.

I remember being told NOT to give a guy having a heart attack aspirin - what was the FIRST thing the paramedics did? Exactly!

It is very worrying that people have to think before they offer to help someone!
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