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Old 04 November 2012, 09:20   #31
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OK.

I see we will have to differ on this one.

However, I am not a Life-boatman, I am not a volunteer lifesaver, but have had to bring people who refused to wear life jackets home.

We picked up 2 local lads from the water, ashen grey, blue lips, ice cold, eyes open and glazed.
Laid up on a outer mooring whilst body bags were brought out.
Put the lads in the bags and transferred them to a smaller boat due to depth constraints.

Whilst moving the lads between the boats one of the zips broke and his head flopped out of the boat hitting the guard rail with a empty hollow "thowk", a sound i will never forget.

I then had to stitch him back into the bag so it couldn't happen again.

We had to bring the lads to the ambulance on the slip where the coastguard and the rest of the village and the parents of one of the lads were waiting. The scene i think you can imagine.

I don't care how precious you think your right to not wear LJ is, don't care about the cost, I don't care how much of a Prima Donna you are.

I never want to feel the way I did facing his mother when i carried the body to the ambulance again.....



PS Biffer, what happens when your faffing with wiring shackles when the wire catches your shirt and the weight of the ground tackle pulls you in, with no jacket on? Seen it happen.......
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Old 04 November 2012, 09:40   #32
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Did they perish from cold exposure or drowning?
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Old 04 November 2012, 09:54   #33
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Did they perish from cold exposure or drowning?
I don't think that really matters. The point is that lifejackets cost less then 50 and they could save your life. In my opinion it's poor judgment not to wear one. And if you're still not convinced I suggest you try jumping off your boat at 20kts and see how you feel then. I've been doing a far amount of MOB practice on my jetski recently and it's a real eye opener. Falling in the sea and having to swim to your craft is desperate even when you're wearing a wetsuit and a PFD. Seriously, give it a go; it'll convert to wearing a LJ straight away.
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I don't think that really matters. The point is that lifejackets cost less then 50 and they could save your life. In my opinion it's poor judgment not to wear one. And if you're still not convinced I suggest you try jumping off your boat at 20kts and see how you feel then. I've been doing a far amount of MOB practice on my jetski recently and it's a real eye opener. Falling in the sea and having to swim to your craft is desperate even when you're wearing a wetsuit and a PFD. Seriously, give it a go; it'll convert to wearing a LJ straight away.
My point is - It makes a huge difference imho because the lads may have died from cold exposure which then leeds onto the question should dry suits become law! I know what the guy is going on about. I was trying to make my own point - ok? Don't try telling me my question does not matter!

I deleted my original reply to you GJOKYZ. Maybe you read it I don't know but please don't assume your experience as a jet skier entering water at speeds makes you some sort of expert on whether we should be wearing them or not. Others have past professional experiences at sea as well you know......
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Old 04 November 2012, 11:45   #35
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I deleted my original reply to you GJOKYZ. Maybe you read it I don't know but please don't assume your experience as a jet skier entering water at speeds makes you some sort of expert on whether we should be wearing them or not. Others have past professional experiences at sea as well you know......
Calm down mate before you blow a valve. All I'm saying is that most people have no idea how frightening and difficult it is to swim fully clothed at sea. Read the RNLI advert I posted earlier; it kinda speaks for itself. If people don't want to wear a LJ then that's their choice; I just think it's the wrong choice that's all. I get criticised for skiing alone and for taking my rib up crazy-shallow estuaries, but those are my choices. And FYI, years ago when I was a commercial fisherman I lost several friends who fell overboard whilst working alone not wearing a LJ.
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I think the E petition needs amending, as this shouldn't be allowed to happen!
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I wouldn't consider going out without wearing a lifejacket. Lifejackets saved my life twice now already.
However, I don't think they should be made compulsory purely because I subscribe to Darwins theory. I'd prefer it if the human gene pool remained lean and clean as was in the past.
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I think that people drown befor they die of exposer the cold just saps there strength and that's it. They tell you not to swim if you go over the side but stay as still as you can. It's to do with the envelope of water around your body staying warm for longer
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Calm down mate before you blow a valve. All I'm saying is that most people have no idea how frightening and difficult it is to swim fully clothed at sea. Read the RNLI advert I posted earlier; it kinda speaks for itself. If people don't want to wear a LJ then that's their choice; I just think it's the wrong choice that's all. I get criticised for skiing alone and for taking my rib up crazy-shallow estuaries, but those are my choices. And FYI, years ago when I was a commercial fisherman I lost several friends who fell overboard whilst working alone not wearing a LJ.
So lets get this right - I asked a perfectly reasonable question - you responded (with out the ability to answer my question) and told me my point was not valid! Then you went onto to say anybody who does not wear a life jacket has poor judgement despite you then admitting you go up "crazy shallow" water in your rib and "ski alone"!

Not really interested in your last part - not sure why you posted that? Are you looking for respect or something? If you were trying to suggest you have past experience in the marine environment then fine just say that - although never seen any fisherman wearing LJs either - does that mean you didn't either! Course not other wise you would be contradicting yourself silly..?

Hardly a blown valve pal! What I don't like is the way you attempt to tell me my point is not valid! I will be the judge of that thanks. Moving on......
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I think that people drown befor they die of exposer the cold just saps there strength and that's it. They tell you not to swim if you go over the side but stay as still as you can. It's to do with the envelope of water around your body staying warm for longer
Hi Biffer

Thats really the avenue of thought/questioning I was going down/asking before being told my point wasn't valid. I wanted to know if thermal shock/cold water immersion leading to drowning was possibly a factor (still have not been told) as then a LJ would not have helped those guys much. Anyway not really bothered now - seems if you have a differing opinion on here some idiot try's to tell you how his past marine experience (jet skiing) makes him a expert!

Moving on and rant over - how are you feeling now better I trust.
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