View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 14 May 2013, 02:26   #401
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Poly, yes it is, keep up. Without wanting to go off topic but a poorly fitted helmet is better than nothing at all and there are enough statistics to prove you are safer wearing one cycling. It's not physics it is life style and the fact there is not only more of us but we all have more cars and use the more, not to mention idiots on mobile phones. When people close to you die unnecessarily you views on these sorts if thing change, also as you get older and have kids so you want to stick around to see them grow up.

Anyhow, if you don't want to wear a helmet, a seatbelt or even I life jacket them that's up to you and of doesn't affect anyone but you, a kill cord is very different.
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Old 14 May 2013, 03:01   #402
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Fair comment that it did, however, I fail to see how getting the government involved in boating is going to end up in anything other than a mass of red tape and spiralling costs for 'administration'. See my post a few pages back.

I do agree, there's an awful lot of people on the water who are as dangerous as Jimmy Saville in a firework factory using child labour. However, legislation won't stop them. The sentiment is fine, but government has proved time and time again that all legislation does is hike costs for those who did it properly while those it's aimed at ignore it.


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Good post!

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Ok....key point summary
  • Thomas is a good guy who's giving away free killcord warning stickers,
  • Very very few people don't want to wear killcords.
  • Most forget every now and then and will try harder.
  • Some have had a very nasty fright and will now wear them religiously.
  • Cookee is special and has a very sexy fast boat with bondage straps so he's exempt
  • Muppets are now arriving who aren't even reading the questions in the poll before voting.

Is that about right?
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Old 14 May 2013, 03:44   #403
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When alone in the boat, the kill cord is attached to me. If boating with my wife or grandchildren, I am more aware of the conditions and may not have it attached when actually fishing. You leave the helm to work with the lines and such, sometimes very suddenly. You have to use a measure of common sense in order to cover all the bases at times.
If you are distracted by another activity, for example fishing, I would have thought it made the kill cord even more important. Quite likely you could stumble in the boat and knock it into gear as you fell out

What the problem wearing the KC. If you leave the helm suddenly it just stops the engine, no big deal restarting it when you return to the helm.
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Old 14 May 2013, 04:06   #404
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Poly, you need to wise up on your 'street' mate. Nowadays the term 'ghey' has nothing to do with being homosexual; hence my spelling to reiterate the point.
I'm happy to debate the etymology of the term and whether changing the spelling of a term used in a derogatory manner makes it any less offensive. However you'll still be a bigg@.

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Poly, yes it is, keep up. Without wanting to go off topic but a poorly fitted helmet is better than nothing at all and there are enough statistics to prove you are safer wearing one cycling.
Happy for you to start a new thread with the statistics proving you are safer... ...and also that the world is more dangerous.
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Old 14 May 2013, 06:06   #405
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Doing the PB2 course did give me the basic understanding of driving a rib but I can't say that it made me a better driver... experience has done that.
Maybe I should have said "more confident and more aware of what could go wrong and how easy it is to prevent a situation"
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Old 14 May 2013, 06:16   #406
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Fair comment that it did, however, I fail to see how getting the government involved in boating is going to end up in anything other than a mass of red tape and spiralling costs for 'administration'. See my post a few pages back.

I do agree, there's an awful lot of people on the water who are as dangerous as Jimmy Saville in a firework factory using child labour. However, legislation won't stop them. The sentiment is fine, but government has proved time and time again that all legislation does is hike costs for those who did it properly while those it's aimed at ignore it.


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I'm not necessarily saying that the government get TOO involved, those of us who do it properly in the first place wont incur any greater cost. How about a bod from the harbour masters office, or marina or launch site checking for a qualification here and there when you launch. The word would soon spread, how about us lot who are responsible educating those who aren't? There must be a way of tightening up on the safety aspect of boating without any real inconvenience to the BOATING COMMUNITY!!
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NO QUALIFICATION, NO LAUNCH? How about that one?

Then if you kill yourself or someone else it really is down to your own stupidity, you've been as educated as you can be!
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NO QUALIFICATION, NO LAUNCH? How about that one?

Then if you kill yourself or someone else it really is down to your own stupidity, you've been as educated as you can be!
I think that takes us full-circle to the proposal by PBR.

(I launch/recover from the beach where the boat sits - how would that work?)
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Old 14 May 2013, 06:51   #409
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NO QUALIFICATION, NO LAUNCH? How about that one?

Then if you kill yourself or someone else it really is down to your own stupidity, you've been as educated as you can be!
How many slips are there in the UK ? need to check each license each time a launch takes place, this would have massive costs involved, unless the slips are closed and access to the sea is via organised club/marina slips.

Who said there would be no impact / cost to those of use doing it correctly ??

I am not for over regulation, I am for education, if the government get involved you know they will legislate and it wil become almost impossible to use your boat.

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Old 14 May 2013, 07:11   #410
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I'm an ex RYA sailing instructor, qualification long lapsed. When I was into sailing, teens, early 20's, getting qualified for sailing was a long hard slog. You had to progress through the qualifications, log the hours, learn, be tested and prove that you knew what you were doing, why you were doing and could repeatedly undertake the task time after time. Your qualification was endorsed as non tidal or tidal, so as most of my qualifications were non tidal, I had to do it all again for tidal.

These days, as far as I can see it, an RYA qualification is pretty much not worth the paper it is written on these days.

I'm returning to boating after a long absence. As well as my sailing qualifications, I am/was a qualified Sports and Rescue Boat Cox.

I looked into getting my qualifications updated and was surprised that I could get a PB2 qualification in a weekend. What is that all about? How many hours is one in control of a boat to come out qualified enough to take a high speed planing craft?

Is this certificate really proof of competency? Of course not. What gives competency is many hours of experience in different conditions, not a few hours with an instructor beside you.

Training/education is much more than a piece of paper at the end to prove that you have met a minimum basic standard, that for some may well have taken more than one go to achieve and in perfect conditions.

Reading manuals and books, taking note of manufacturers warning signs scattered throughout the boat or on outboard, learning local knowledge (I regularly drop by my local RNLI station for an informal chat on advice or local knowledge), gaining experience and instinct and being aware of actions and consequences is far more important than a piece of paper. But of course, a piece of paper is an easy 'tick box' and like many things in this world these days, ticking the right boxes counts for so much more than competence.

If people want to get an RYA qualification to boost their knowledge, then I'm all for that, but please do not treat it as an indication of competence.
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